I couldn't find a definitive date for this event and don't know if it's ever been specified canonically. Is it a relatively recent or pre-historic event? Even a ballpark figure would be better than nothing. Thanks.
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I've never seen a definitive date, but the Rain of Stars is mentioned a few times as being even before Earthfall and the Age of Darkness. So, greater than ~10,000 years?
Perhaps the Rain of Stars preceded Earthfall by a relatively short time. This would work if there is no evidence of the sorts of technology found in Numeria in any of the records of ancient Thassilon or Azlant. (Both cultures would likely have sent people to investigate impact sites -- for valuable metal if nothing else.) Or if it happened further back, perhaps the leaders of Thassilon and Azlant decided that continuing to investigate what is now Numeria was more trouble than it was worth. (Mind you, the Rain of Stars might have given the aboleths a few ideas.)
I couldn't find a definitive date for this event and don't know if it's ever been specified canonically. Is it a relatively recent or pre-historic event? Even a ballpark figure would be better than nothing. Thanks.
This is from the Numeria entry in Pathfinder Wiki.
None are sure when the Silver Mount fell from the heavens and crashed into the land now called Numeria. It happened before recorded history before Numeria really had any history but an event like that is one that indelibly burns its way into a peoples collective memory. None are certain when this happened some suspect it may even have occurred over ten thousand years ago before the Age of Darkness, the tribes remember that night as the Rain of Stars.
Prehistoric, so something akin to Autobot arc old. Perhaps not 2 millions years old, but close enough. Thanks.
Follow-up question. Is there any mention of the Rain of Stars occurring anywhere else in Golarion? That is, were there any smaller impacts in neighboring areas?
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We've remained deliberately coy on the Rain of Stars and a lot of the tech stuff in Numeria. We won't ALWAYS remain coy, though.
And I feel relatively comfortable in saying that it happened after Earthfall... and perhaps it's a lot more recent than a lot of scholars suspect...
Off the topic but I wanted to thank you, James, for being so active on the forums providing us with tidbits of knowledge. This level of activity is one of the reasons I'm happy to be a supporter of Pathfinder.
Also, I look forward to more Numeria information!
And I feel relatively comfortable in saying that it happened after Earthfall... and perhaps it's a lot more recent than a lot of scholars suspect...
Hm. In that case, it seems odd to me that there's no definitive date for this significant event. I imagine that these giant fireballs streaking across the sky one day or night would have been recorded by people in various inner sea kingdoms of the period. I'd also expect the technic league and other spellcasters to have performed divinations directly on the wreckage or indirectly on the local terrain affected by the impact (in the case that the wreckage proved to be magic resistant) to date the event. Failing that, one could simply commune with a deity who is known to have been around before the impact to ask when it occurred; Desna for instance. I'd imagine the Song of the Sphere would be plainly aware when something alien fell through the skies over Golarion. I just can't fathom why there's any doubt amongst scholars in the know.
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And I feel relatively comfortable in saying that it happened after Earthfall... and perhaps it's a lot more recent than a lot of scholars suspect...Hm. In that case, it seems odd to me that there's no definitive date for this significant event. I imagine that these giant fireballs streaking across the sky one day or night would have been recorded by people in various inner sea kingdoms of the period. I'd also expect the technic league and other spellcasters to have performed divinations directly on the wreckage or indirectly on the local terrain affected by the impact (in the case that the wreckage proved to be magic resistant) to date the event. Failing that, one could simply commune with a deity who is known to have been around before the impact to ask when it occurred; Desna for instance. I'd imagine the Song of the Sphere would be plainly aware when something alien fell through the skies over Golarion. I just can't fathom why there's any doubt amongst scholars in the know.
Just because we haven't published the information about it doesn't mean that there isn't a definitive date, first of all.
In fact, pretty much the only significant thing we've done with Numeria was the Red Redoubt in "Dungeons of Golarion," and that more or less indicates that the Star Mount was already old when Absalom was founded 4711 years ago. So, the big event happened at LEAST that long ago. I'm just saying that claims of the event happening before Earthfall are likely exaggerations is all.
In any event, the Technic League and other scholars in Numeria ABSOLUTELY know a lot about the whole thing, having lived there among the ruins for dozens of centuries and all that. But since Numeria is a flavor that is kind of risky to do entire books about (some folks don't want lasers in their games), we've been slow and careful about developing the region.
SOME day we'll have more to say, but that day is not today.
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For those of us who remember the Stargate, Golarion thread, Wikipedia states that the Ancient city of Atlantis was sunk about 10K years ago, still allowing the Star Mount to be an Ancient ship. :-)
(Pity Alderac didn't get the licenses back, since Stargate RPG was spycraft light, a lot of the tech comes over easily)
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And I feel relatively comfortable in saying that it happened after Earthfall... and perhaps it's a lot more recent than a lot of scholars suspect...Hm. In that case, it seems odd to me that there's no definitive date for this significant event. I imagine that these giant fireballs streaking across the sky one day or night would have been recorded by people in various inner sea kingdoms of the period. I'd also expect the technic league and other spellcasters to have performed divinations directly on the wreckage or indirectly on the local terrain affected by the impact (in the case that the wreckage proved to be magic resistant) to date the event. Failing that, one could simply commune with a deity who is known to have been around before the impact to ask when it occurred; Desna for instance. I'd imagine the Song of the Sphere would be plainly aware when something alien fell through the skies over Golarion. I just can't fathom why there's any doubt amongst scholars in the know.Just because we haven't published the information about it doesn't mean that there isn't a definitive date, first of all.
In fact, pretty much the only significant thing we've done with Numeria was the Red Redoubt in "Dungeons of Golarion," and that more or less indicates that the Star Mount was already old when Absalom was founded 4711 years ago. So, the big event happened at LEAST that long ago. I'm just saying that claims of the event happening before Earthfall are likely exaggerations is all.
In any event, the Technic League and other scholars in Numeria ABSOLUTELY know a lot about the whole thing, having lived there among the ruins for dozens of centuries and all that. But since Numeria is a flavor that is kind of risky to do entire books about (some folks don't want lasers in their games), we've been slow and careful about developing the region.
SOME day we'll have more to say, but that day is not today.
If the Rain of Stars happened during the Age of Darkness, no one may have written about it.
Hmm. Also "dotting".
That would certainly explain a lot, wouldn't it? ;-P
Alright, so between nine and ten thousand years ago. Now we're getting somewhere.
A follow up question; is there any reason at all to believe that the Silver Mount impact didn't occur at the same time as Earthfall? It doesn't seem far fetched to assume the two largely similar events occured simultaneously.
And I feel relatively comfortable in saying that it happened after Earthfall... and perhaps it's a lot more recent than a lot of scholars suspect...Hm. In that case, it seems odd to me that there's no definitive date for this significant event. I imagine that these giant fireballs streaking across the sky one day or night would have been recorded by people in various inner sea kingdoms of the period. I'd also expect the technic league and other spellcasters to have performed divinations directly on the wreckage or indirectly on the local terrain affected by the impact (in the case that the wreckage proved to be magic resistant) to date the event. Failing that, one could simply commune with a deity who is known to have been around before the impact to ask when it occurred; Desna for instance. I'd imagine the Song of the Sphere would be plainly aware when something alien fell through the skies over Golarion. I just can't fathom why there's any doubt amongst scholars in the know.Just because we haven't published the information about it doesn't mean that there isn't a definitive date, first of all.
In fact, pretty much the only significant thing we've done with Numeria was the Red Redoubt in "Dungeons of Golarion," and that more or less indicates that the Star Mount was already old when Absalom was founded 4711 years ago. So, the big event happened at LEAST that long ago. I'm just saying that claims of the event happening before Earthfall are likely exaggerations is all.
In any event, the Technic League and other scholars in Numeria ABSOLUTELY know a lot about the whole thing, having lived there among the ruins for dozens of centuries and all that. But since Numeria is a flavor that is kind of risky to do entire books about (some folks don't want lasers in their games), we've been slow and careful about developing the region.
SOME day we'll have more to say, but that day is not today.
Is tomorrow, possibly that day? ;) I look forward to it when you did get around to it.
According to page 142 of the Inner Sea World Guide, the Rain of Stars happened "long before Numeria's recorded history, perhaps even before the Age of Darkness."
That would certainly explain a lot, wouldn't it? ;-PAlright, so between nine and ten thousand years ago. Now we're getting somewhere.
A follow up question; is there any reason at all to believe that the Silver Mount impact didn't occur at the same time as Earthfall? It doesn't seem far fetched to assume the two largely similar events occured simultaneously.
Earthfall as in the Earth falling onto Golarion... And the Silver Mount is a future version of the I.S.S.!
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That would certainly explain a lot, wouldn't it? ;-PAlright, so between nine and ten thousand years ago. Now we're getting somewhere.
A follow up question; is there any reason at all to believe that the Silver Mount impact didn't occur at the same time as Earthfall? It doesn't seem far fetched to assume the two largely similar events occured simultaneously.
I suspect it didn't occur during Earthfall because there's already enough going on during Earthfall... but that ALSO would explain a lot, wouldn't it?
(I actually DO have a lot of decisions about Numeria and the spaceship and all that made already, so that when we do things like the Red Redoubt in "Dungeons of Golarion" we can make the snippets revealed about Numeria make sense once we DO get around to revealing more... but now is not the time for me to reveal this information. It'll happen, but not tomorrow, nor next year, I suspect.)
I suspect it didn't occur during Earthfall because there's already enough going on during Earthfall... but that ALSO would explain a lot, wouldn't it?
Exactly my point. The fact that there was so much going on during Earthfall would explain why the Silver Mount impact wasn't recorded as a separate event. Looking at the picture of Starfall in the Inner Sea Guide shows one big object, the Starstone, along with at least three other smaller items streaking down towards Golarion. It's not hard to imagine that one of those objects was the Silver Mount which indadvertedly got dragged down by the same magic the Aboleths used on the Starstone. It'd also explain the cause of the crash in the first place.
I couldn't find a definitive date for this event and don't know if it's ever been specified canonically. Is it a relatively recent or pre-historic event? Even a ballpark figure would be better than nothing. Thanks.
I originally interpreted the term "impact date" in the thread title as being a pun that was referring to a product release date for a Silver Mount book. Reading through led me to realize otherwise.
I am really bummed now. :(