what counts as "any ability that requires patience or concentration."?

[Squawk Featherbeak]

Basically, either than Dex, Cha, and Int skill checks, what can't you do during rage?

Can you sneak attack? Can you cast spells (without a needed concentration check), Can you create a mutagen? Can you inspire? Can you use revelations or channel? What other stuff did I miss out?

[gravalpea]

Squawk Featherbeak wrote:

Basically, either than Dex, Cha, and Int skill checks, what can't you do during rage?

Can you sneak attack? Can you cast spells (without a needed concentration check), Can you create a mutagen? Can you inspire? Can you use revelations or channel? What other stuff did I miss out?

Page 206 in regards to rage, concentration and spells:

To cast a spell, you must concentrate. If something
interrupts your concentration while you’re casting,
you must make a concentration check or lose the spell.

In regards to inspire, I assume you mean Inspire courage from the bard, no.
While in rage, a barbarian cannot use any
Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills
(except Acrobatics, Fly, Intimidate, and Ride) or any ability
that requires patience or concentration.
Perform is a charisma-based skill and most of the inspire skills have this line: A bard of X level or higher
can use his performance to help an ally succeed at a task.

sneak attack, revelations, and channel are abilities, not skills, and don't state that concentration is needed and so I say they are good.

mutagens I don't know, I haven't look into that ability yet.

I am always open to being proven wrong...we learn that way ^_^

[wraithstrike]

Squawk Featherbeak wrote:

Basically, either than Dex, Cha, and Int skill checks, what can't you do during rage?

Can you sneak attack? Can you cast spells (without a needed concentration check), Can you create a mutagen? Can you inspire? Can you use revelations or channel? What other stuff did I miss out?

It is never really specified so it is a GM's call. Think like disabling traps and picking locks would count in my opinion. Casting spells would also count in my games.

[Fozbek]

gravalpea wrote:

Perform is a charisma-based skill

However, that skill is not used by any of the Bardic performances. You can be a level 20 Bard with 0 ranks in any Perform skill and a 1 Charisma and you can still use 100% of your performances (though your DCs will suck for the offensive ones).

[Jeraa]

Fozbek wrote:

gravalpea wrote:

Perform is a charisma-based skill

However, that skill is not used by any of the Bardic performances. You can be a level 20 Bard with 0 ranks in any Perform skill and a 1 Charisma and you can still use 100% of your performances (though your DCs will suck for the offensive ones).

It does mean that the Distration and Countersong abilities can't be used while the bard is raging, as they require a Perform check. (Ranks aren't required, but a check is.)

[Fozbek]

True, I'd forgotten about those as I never use them. OK, the vast majority of them don't require the use of a charisma-based skill, then. Maybe your towering rage inspires your companions?