That is the question. What country in Golarion has the most Scottish feel? What if I want to be Irish? Welsh?
Scottish isn't a country. Its called playing a dwarf. Gnomes are Welsh. Halflings are Irish.
I want to be a human or an elf, though.
Sarusan? I'll look it up.
If you're going for the whole Braveheart/free Scotland thing, look into Andoran. As written it's the good parts of revolutionary France (as opposed to Galt, which got the bad parts), but if you work with your DM you could say you came from a sub-region which had more scottish features.
If you're going for a more primitive feel, try coming from the Land of the Linnorm Kings - Scots are half viking anyway. Parts of Brevoy's background might work too.
Or just come from a little village in Varisia - it's the catch-all region where you could find anything. And it certainly has highlands.
EDIT: And dwarves are not Scottish - if anything they are Norse, with a dash of Hebrew. If you're looking to mythology, romance and Tolkien, at any rate. Slightly anti-Semitic but that's how stuff from the Middle Ages generally goes.
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That is the question. What country in Golarion has the most Scottish feel? What if I want to be Irish? Welsh?
I don't think Golarion really has a Scottish, Irish, or Welsh-themed region. You could probably use one of northern islands in the Steaming Sea just to the north-west of Varisia. They look pretty big and rocky. Or maybe one of the islands off the coast of the Land of the Linnorm Kings.
Or you could go to the other side of the continent and use Iobaria. It has conveniently-named highlands and the people who live there tend to gather in tiny, spread-out villages. Plus it hasn't been heavily developed yet so you have quite a bit of room to throw in your own stuff without running afoul of setting material.
Nirmathas always seems a likely candidate to me. Even the split from Molthune lends to the whole historically sorted England/Ireland (Scotland) theme between the two countries. Also, the fact that they made the government a meritocracy which favors the self-reliant spirit of the people doesn't hurt the case either. It is also to the northwest of Molthune which just so happens to be how Ireland/Scotland are positioned in relation to England.
Bonus points: The flag has a tree and a sword on it.
Well if you're from Glasgow... you could always be a half-orc from Belkzen...
Some frontier of Taldor, maybe?
I have a very Connery gnome who hails from Andoran. Other than the weird revolutionary USA vibe, it's a great nation for yelling "FREEEDDDOOOMM!" too.
Nirmathas works well also.
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Well, I'm unique in my opinion, here, but I've always seen GALT as the place where people are English, Welsh, Irish, Scotish, Australian and New Zealander. It's perfect -- a Red Revolution among a dozen or so slightly different accents. It doesn't even bug me that there's no North Sea or North Atlantic Coast.
I can say "Galt" with every one of those accents -- perfect. Nothing else works. Can't say "Galt" with a Russian Revolution or French Revolution accent.
But that's just me.
Well, I'm unique in my opinion, here, but I've always seen GALT as the place where people are English, Welsh, Irish, Scotish, Australian and New Zealander. It's perfect -- a Red Revolution among a dozen or so slightly different accents. It doesn't even bug me that there's no North Sea or North Atlantic Coast.
Galt just screams French Revolution stuck on pause.
I think Mike Myers has reset the fantasy trope on this.
Clearly, only ogres may be Scottish.
Absolutely not.
Golarion ogres would have a deep South drawl if you could understand it through the speech impediment that serves as the accent on their particular genetic cul de sac.
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Scottish Elves 0.oYou didn't know Elves were French? They fled before the Earthfall and only came out when it was safe...
Says Frenchy LeBlanc.
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Says Frenchy LeBlanc.Scottish Elves 0.oYou didn't know Elves were French? They fled before the Earthfall and only came out when it was safe...
Götterdämmerung, I am a product of the melting pot and mostly German/Irish. The last French person bred into the line was over 200 years before the sad excuse for Frenchmen that got whooped in WWII.
Back on point. I think Nukruh had the right idea about Molthune/Nirmathas being English/Irish. One of the games I used to play in portrayed Lastwall after the Scottish warrior society prior to Scotland being ruled by England. That would place all 3 close together, but not enough to match Earth.
The hobgoblins serving in the Molthune army could serve as the Welsh...
I always assumed Goblins were Golarion's Scots.
Ubiquitous, underfoot, illiterate, run around in skirts, make questionable decisions, don't get along with anyone else...
Oh, wait. They can't be Scots. They actually COOK their food. Never mind.
Maybe Kellids could stand in for the scots?
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Says Frenchy LeBlanc.Scottish Elves 0.oYou didn't know Elves were French? They fled before the Earthfall and only came out when it was safe...Götterdämmerung, I am a product of the melting pot and mostly German/Irish. The last French person bred into the line was over 200 years before the sad excuse for Frenchmen that got whooped in WWII.
Back on point. I think Nukruh had the right idea about Molthune/Nirmathas being English/Irish. One of the games I used to play in portrayed Lastwall after the Scottish warrior society prior to Scotland being ruled by England. That would place all 3 close together, but not enough to match Earth.
The hobgoblins serving in the Molthune army could serve as the Welsh...
It's sad when people bring their own negative personal politics into a light-hearted discussion.
The question with these analogues is often: which Wales/England/France/Scotland/Wherever?
As a Welshman I'm wondering what the stereotype is?
Are we going with demented druids untamed by civilisation
Or Rebecca Riots
Or Heart of the older, more primal Arthurian myths
Or 1970s dour mining and glorious rugby
Or or or...
I don't believe accents are analogous. People aren't speaking English, they're usually speaking Common (Taldane).
I mean even if the culture of a Golarion country is based on a real-world country at some point in history, that doesn't mean the accent has to be the same.
It's not like any of these countries have TV or telephone so there's no reason for their accents to be homogeneous anyway. Two characters could be from Andoran and one might have a "French" accent while another has an "American" accent, and a third might have an "English" accent, but none of those accents are really French, American, or English.
Though I admit the idea of an elf with a Scottish accent strikes me funny.
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I always assumed Goblins were Golarion's Scots.
Ubiquitous, underfoot, illiterate, run around in skirts, make questionable decisions, don't get along with anyone else...
Oh, wait. They can't be Scots. They actually COOK their food. Never mind.
Wow...that's the strangest racist rant I ever heard. I didn't know that there was a way to be anti-scot. Cool.
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I don't believe accents are analogous. People aren't speaking English, they're usually speaking Common (Taldane).
I mean even if the culture of a Golarion country is based on a real-world country at some point in history, that doesn't mean the accent has to be the same.
It's not like any of these countries have TV or telephone so there's no reason for their accents to be homogeneous anyway. Two characters could be from Andoran and one might have a "French" accent while another has an "American" accent, and a third might have an "English" accent, but none of those accents are really French, American, or English.
Though I admit the idea of an elf with a Scottish accent strikes me funny.
We don't even have 'French', 'American' or 'English' accents in the real world.
There are oodles of accents just in a pokey little country like the UK (to the point where a small, if growing, minority language like Welsh has two official dialects).
There is a noticable difference between Geordie (Newcastle) and Mackem (Suderland) despite the small geographical range. Oxford has a city accent and a shire accent, Pembrokeshire has a north Pembs and south Pembs accents, with posh, middling and common versions of each...
And this in the information age.
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If Newcastle makes it through the season where they are now and qualifies for the Champion's League next year -- then I'll agree that Geordie is different from the way they talk at the Stadium of Light.
If both Newcastle and Sunderland both end up between 7th and 10th place (like I predict), they're the same.
(At least to me who can't articulate the difference between ANY of the club's native-speakers' accents. Though my favorite is Mick McCarthy; I can listen to Wolverhampton all day long!)
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And now, dear friends, Gorbacz will teach you how to start a bar brawl in the United Kingdom:
"Hey, aren't Scottish and English pretty much the same?"
"Ye bastard! I'll teach you to call me a biscuit muncher!"
Initiative roll
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If Newcastle makes it through the season where they are now and qualifies for the Champion's League next year -- then I'll agree that Geordie is different from the way they talk at the Stadium of Light.
If both Newcastle and Sunderland both end up between 7th and 10th place (like I predict), they're the same.
(At least to me who can't articulate the difference between ANY of the club's native-speakers' accents. Though my favorite is Mick McCarthy; I can listen to Wolverhampton all day long!)
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Mick is not a Wolverhampton speaker.
This is a typical Wolverhampton/YamYam accent
Mick McCarthy has an odd Yorkshire accent, although not in Boycott's league
Come on now, don't talk sports. There are better places to talk sports, like Facebook.
I always thought that Scotland was the Hold of Belkzen, after watching Golarion's remake of Braveheart.
Wow...that's the strangest racist rant I ever heard. I didn't know that there was a way to be anti-scot. Cool.I always assumed Goblins were Golarion's Scots.
Ubiquitous, underfoot, illiterate, run around in skirts, make questionable decisions, don't get along with anyone else...
Oh, wait. They can't be Scots. They actually COOK their food. Never mind.
I confess, being anti-Scot has been less common since the Stuart lines of British Royalty.
And to be fair, this is more a (subtle) jibe against both Scottish history and cooking. There is a half-mocking theory that says that the truly expansive empires all, universally, have horrible food. It certainly applies to Roman breakfast, most British cooking and the Mongols.
Scottish cooking was so bad the British left them to self rule. :)
1) Boiling something until the rancid oatmeal it's served with has more flavor does not count as cooking it.
2) Neither does frying it in lard, though that's a worthy attempt...
(I also grumble about "Fantasy Version of Earth Culture A,B,C" as a fantasy and RPG trope.)
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Well I dunno what accent it is but, man, that Norwich City coach's accent sucks!
I'm watching the greatest team the universe has ever known squeeze out 3 points against the Canaries and listening to the Norwich City coach, ick -- I can't understand a word he's saying.
Gimme Mick McCarthy any day!
(I think it's cool that North London (the REAL North London) speaks with a French accent -- that I also can't understand often.)
Nirmathas always seems a likely candidate to me. Even the split from Molthune lends to the whole historically sorted England/Ireland (Scotland) theme between the two countries. Also, the fact that they made the government a meritocracy which favors the self-reliant spirit of the people doesn't hurt the case either. It is also to the northwest of Molthune which just so happens to be how Ireland/Scotland are positioned in relation to England.
Bonus points: The flag has a tree and a sword on it.
I concur. In my campaign I made it so.
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Scottish isn't a country. Its called playing a dwarf. Gnomes are Welsh. Halflings are Irish.
If they were somewhere, I feel Sarusan would be appropriate. Cause it is poorly traveled and prolly has a crap climate due to location.
As mentioned in another thread, I have an idea for a halfling cleric of "Lady Luck" (Desna). He's pretty much a leprechaun wannabe, who exists to "spread the luck around" (Luck domain, Lucky Halfling, and other, more typical, cleric buffs). I was considering having him wear green and speak with an Irish accent.
So I was searching the forums, looking for an excuse to give him an Irish accent and wondering where geographically in Golarian he'd be from, and this is what I find.
So is the halfling with the Irish accent just a bad stereotype, or should I go with it? And where in Golarian would be an appropriate homeland?