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I have a player that acquired an Efficient Quiver. As he's an archer, he was curious about using the larger sections to hold more arrows instead of the javelins and bows/etc in their respective containers. I did a quick search and didn't find any answers, so here goes.
If we were to treat the compartments as being similar to a bag of holding and look at the weight limits, the second compartment holds 18 javelins. Javelins weigh 2 lbs apiece, so the player would be able to hold 12 more stacks of 20 arrows, which weight 3 lbs according to the CRB.
The third compartment can hold 6 bows, staffs, spears or similar items. The weights on these range from 3 lbs to 9 lbs. I'd likely rule that we'd go with the middle of that range and use a 5 lb rule of thumb, equaling a 30 lbs, or 10 more stacks. This would be 500 arrows (200 in the third/staff compartment, 240 in the second/javelin compartment, and 60 in the normal arrow compartment.
How would you handle this? Would you consider it to be an abuse of the idea behind the quiver? Is it game-breaking? Do you limit how the arrows are stored or what kinds of arrows can be stored with each other? Or, do I require that it be a custom Efficient Quiver...one that has three compartments of arrows instead of the one of each size?
I'm leaning towards the last option, but I'm definitely open to suggestions.
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Back in 3.5 my arcane archer player asked about this. I allowed it at the time, and even so she still had her wolf carrying a ton of extra arrows "in case". Basically what I allowed was they were not retrievable like you could from the arrow compartment. They had to be kept in bundles. You could pull out a bundle and then put them in the arrow compartment, but you couldn't just pull arrows out willy-nilly. This made her 1) only have 60 arrows usable in a combat, 2) didn't allow for a ton of different arrows to be drawn at will (such as silver/cold iron/adamantine/other special arrows), and 3) gave her less options.
My archer character loved those other slots for javelins, spears, and extra bows. I had a +1 Seeker bow for concealment targets, a + something holy/elemental bow for major damage, and a couple of others for different uses. Its handy.
Its not game breaking in the least. The archer would find a way to carry all his arrows anyway it goes. And he still has to pay for all those arrows, meaning they'll most likely just be normal, unenchanted arrows. I see nothing wrong with letting him carry arrows in all three compartments.
IF you see a problem developing, just say that only arrows in the main arrow compartment can be drawn quick enough to use in combat. He can remove arrows from the other compartments to refill the main one as a standard action. He still gets 60 shots before needing to "reload", and can still carry a ton of arrows.
(I've never seen an archer go through 60 arrows in a fight. Ever. I'm sure some people have, but never me or my group.)
If he just wants to carry more arrows then he could just carry them in his backpack and when his quiver runs low just take the arrows from the backpack and puts them into his quiver. If he wants more arrows for combat then well it's a judgment call, when my Kingmaker had the need for that he was high enough level to be able to afford a second efficient quiver.
Back in 3.5 my arcane archer player asked about this. I allowed it at the time, and even so she still had her wolf carrying a ton of extra arrows "in case". Basically what I allowed was they were not retrievable like you could from the arrow compartment. They had to be kept in bundles. You could pull out a bundle and then put them in the arrow compartment, but you couldn't just pull arrows out willy-nilly. This made her 1) only have 60 arrows usable in a combat, 2) didn't allow for a ton of different arrows to be drawn at will (such as silver/cold iron/adamantine/other special arrows), and 3) gave her less options.
My archer character loved those other slots for javelins, spears, and extra bows. I had a +1 Seeker bow for concealment targets, a + something holy/elemental bow for major damage, and a couple of others for different uses. Its handy.
I like the idea of arrow bundles being stored in the other compartments, in addition to him having access to multiple bows. I'll either present this or the alternate quiver idea.
Game breaking wasn't the right way of saying it. I want there to be some kind of weight to the choice of what arrows to store in the quiver rather than it just being an afterthought.
While Kingmaker doesn't necessarily offer a TON of large group fights in the first couple of chapters, he's currently firing 4 arrows at a time, so that can add up pretty quick.
I have a player that acquired an Efficient Quiver. As he's an archer, he was curious about using the larger sections to hold more arrows instead of the javelins and bows/etc in their respective containers. I did a quick search and didn't find any answers, so here goes.
If we were to treat the compartments as being similar to a bag of holding and look at the weight limits, the second compartment holds 18 javelins. Javelins weigh 2 lbs apiece, so the player would be able to hold 12 more stacks of 20 arrows, which weight 3 lbs according to the CRB.
The third compartment can hold 6 bows, staffs, spears or similar items. The weights on these range from 3 lbs to 9 lbs. I'd likely rule that we'd go with the middle of that range and use a 5 lb rule of thumb, equaling a 30 lbs, or 10 more stacks. This would be 500 arrows (200 in the third/staff compartment, 240 in the second/javelin compartment, and 60 in the normal arrow compartment.
How would you handle this? Would you consider it to be an abuse of the idea behind the quiver? Is it game-breaking? Do you limit how the arrows are stored or what kinds of arrows can be stored with each other? Or, do I require that it be a custom Efficient Quiver...one that has three compartments of arrows instead of the one of each size?
I'm leaning towards the last option, but I'm definitely open to suggestions.
Use this spell, possibly combined with this spell to create a quiver of plenty, and not worry about it. :)
Edit: Note that the basic method for archers is to get a bag of holding or haversack, load it down with many, many, maaaaany quivers of arrows, and just carry a few quivers on them at a time; allowing them to quickly restock as needed. This is actually the most efficient way in terms of gold most of the time, because arrows are cheap.