In the esteemed opinion of the community, would the following be balanced:
- The Pathfinder Savant has ten levels.
- With the following exceptions, class features granted on even levels are gained 1 level later, and class features granted on odd levels are gained 2 levels later.
- Adept activation is left alone.
- Master Scholar is gained at 2nd level.
- Esoteric Magic is only gained on even levels, but spells from other class lists are not increased in level.
If this doesn't work, what would it take to make it?
What is a Pathfinder Savant?
In the esteemed opinion of the community, would the following be balanced:
- The Pathfinder Savant has ten levels.
- With the following exceptions, class features granted on even levels are gained 1 level later, and class features granted on odd levels are gained 2 levels later.
- Adept activation is left alone.
- Master Scholar is gained at 2nd level.
- Esoteric Magic is only gained on even levels, but spells from other class lists are not increased in level.
If this doesn't work, what would it take to make it?
It will not work, and you have the summoner class to blame, Summoning monster 7 as a level five spell, calling your own bebelith and bone devils yo your help at level 10? or perhaps a planetar at level 12 with a level 6 greater planar binding? Then you can add early entry of haste, black tentacles, magic jar, dimension door, teleport, greater teleport, maze, dominate monster and much more just from the summoner list.
Outside the summoner list nothing more then Overwhelming presence really sticks out.
So my greatest tip for balancing the pathfinder savant is to ban spells from the summoner list, as that will screw the game.
When the pathfinder savant was released neither the summoner or overwhelming presence existed, so I do not think paizo could have foreseen this oversight. Thought I have no clue what they thought when they gave the summoner spell list all these early entries.
Because it's either early entry or very late entry. The bard, a martial character, gets some early. The summoner, a caster, gets more early.
What is a Pathfinder Savant?
It's basically a Magician Bard as a Prestige Class.
It will not work, and you have the summoner class to blame, Summoning monster 7 as a level five spell, calling your own bebelith and bone devils yo your help at level 10? or perhaps a planetar at level 12 with a level 6 greater planar binding? Then you can add early entry of haste, black tentacles, magic jar, dimension door, teleport, greater teleport, maze, dominate monster and much more just from the summoner list.
Fair enough. I'm pretty comfortable with getting greater teleport at 6th, but 5th is probably pushing it too far for a class that goes up to 9th.
What if you included a rule that you could only learn spells at the level that your base class gained them normally or at the highest level that any class gains it? You would still be able to access any given spell, but you wouldn't be able to access any spell earlier than any class that gains it naturally.
Summoner's cool and all, but I'm more concerned with getting access to spells I can't cast than picking up spells early.
What is a Pathfinder Savant?It's basically a Magician Bard as a Prestige Class.
It will not work, and you have the summoner class to blame, Summoning monster 7 as a level five spell, calling your own bebelith and bone devils yo your help at level 10? or perhaps a planetar at level 12 with a level 6 greater planar binding? Then you can add early entry of haste, black tentacles, magic jar, dimension door, teleport, greater teleport, maze, dominate monster and much more just from the summoner list.Fair enough. I'm pretty comfortable with getting greater teleport at 6th, but 5th is probably pushing it too far for a class that goes up to 9th.
What if you included a rule that you could only learn spells at the level that your base class gained them normally or at the highest level that any class gains it? You would still be able to access any given spell, but you wouldn't be able to access any spell earlier than any class that gains it naturally.
Summoner's cool and all, but I'm more concerned with getting access to spells I can't cast than picking up spells early.
Thanks.
Yeah, if you rule it so you have to learn it at the level that your base class gained them normally or at the highest level that any class gains it, it would work better. Even discounting the summoner and the bard the druid has some spells he learns before the cleric too.
What is a Pathfinder Savant?It's basically a Magician Bard as a Prestige Class.
It will not work, and you have the summoner class to blame, Summoning monster 7 as a level five spell, calling your own bebelith and bone devils yo your help at level 10? or perhaps a planetar at level 12 with a level 6 greater planar binding? Then you can add early entry of haste, black tentacles, magic jar, dimension door, teleport, greater teleport, maze, dominate monster and much more just from the summoner list.Fair enough. I'm pretty comfortable with getting greater teleport at 6th, but 5th is probably pushing it too far for a class that goes up to 9th.
What if you included a rule that you could only learn spells at the level that your base class gained them normally or at the highest level that any class gains it? You would still be able to access any given spell, but you wouldn't be able to access any spell earlier than any class that gains it naturally.
Summoner's cool and all, but I'm more concerned with getting access to spells I can't cast than picking up spells early.
Learning spells at the highest level a class has for it would nicely fix the problem I see with the class.