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Moving some of the Orcs of Golarion discussion here.
It seems like in the past people have expressed interest in paper minis for PC's. I know I would buy them. I think that the format that Jack created is so awesome. Two versions of all the core, NPC, and base classes, one for prestige classes, and a few named characters from the setting. Additional versions of location specific orcs like Plains or Desert. Added to that typical animal companions and eidolons. Sir, you've set the bar high.
Creating the Elves/Dwarves/Etc. of Golarion makes perfect sense. But I was thinking how you could do this with the Inner Sea Guide. Typical characters from Galt or Qadira. With what fifty different settings, you could continue to make sets for a long time. And I really think people would appreciate the effort and energy.
Regardless, if nothing else I have an awesome Hold of Belkzen game just waiting to be created.
That would rock! Nothing helps with a game than having a coherent look to the NPCs mins. Like an Arabian Knights look for Qadira mins, also there always seems to be a lack of nonstandard looking PC mins. +2
Well, like Liz said, hopefully the set is successful and we'll have that chance to expand into other races! I think it would be great todraw some humans and see Chelaxians, Taldorans, Qadirans and all the rest done!
I'd like to know what race/culture would be at the top of the list for those interested?
Hmm, you asked which races/cultures would be at the top of the list. I suppose the first thing to look at is what is needed for future Adventures: Paths or Modules. So a Shackles or a Dragon Empire set sounds like a good idea.
But in general I'd think starting with the race books (both the core ones and the new Ultimate Races) and then moving to the Human race options in the Inner Sea Guide (Chelaxians, Garmundi, Etc.) And then after all those have been done, you could think about the unique locations like the Mana Wastes, Nidal, or Numeria. Those locations would be a lot of fun, but I'm not sure how often they would get used.
Another option could be to throw in some of the unique locations every so often just to spice things up. After all, who isn't interested in Numeria Technic League Fighters?
And to throw out another cool idea: Clerics and Worshipers. Cool looking clerics specific to a God with additional classes that make sense. For example Desna could have a bunch of Clerics with Star-Knives, Bards, Varisian Merchants, etc. I suppose it could be broken up in the Faiths of Purity/Balance books. I think something like that would be great.
My first priority is the Adventure Path sets, but I want to give artists a break after they have finished a set, and the races sets are a good break (and also generic enough for GMs not running an Adventure Path to use).
I have a couple of different sets in mind besides races and APs, but I am always curious to hear what other people are interested in seeing.
Liz has said she'd like a thread talking about future sets and ideas here rather than in the threads of individual sets.
So feel free to ask questions or give feedback or express what you'd like to see in the futre from the paper minis!
I would buy:
Ulfen men and women of various classes. No horned helms please!
Irrissian witches as well as Ulfen servants, ice trolls, ice fey, frost giants, and other northern horrors.
You could bundle as a Frozen North collection.
Elves! Elves! Elves!
Natural animals, animal companions, summon monster/nature;s ally, and familiars.
As a cash-strapped father of four, I love your product! My older girls are jsut beginning to play (thank you starter box) and I don;t have to fear them ruining a carefully painted metal miniature. I just print what I need and replace as needed.
I would buy:
Ulfen men and women of various classes. No horned helms please!
Irrissian witches as well as Ulfen servants, ice trolls, ice fey, frost giants, and other northern horrors.You could bundle as a Frozen North collection.
Elves! Elves! Elves!
Natural animals, animal companions, summon monster/nature;s ally, and familiars.
As a cash-strapped father of four, I love your product! My older girls are jsut beginning to play (thank you starter box) and I don;t have to fear them ruining a carefully painted metal miniature. I just print what I need and replace as needed.
Horned helms are bad luck, so the Ulfen believe. ;)
I have an artist in mind for Halflings, but I'm still pondering Elves, and I have something in the works for summoning-types. :)
Oh hai,
I was just looking for a thread on this :)
When it comes to paper mini's, I really hope to see more with art like on the covers and the Beginner's box (I'll probally be buying the box just for the pawns).
I've looked over the "Rise of the Runelord" paper mini's, but they all just look so cartoony to me. If I can suggest it, I'd like Paizo to have more realistic or dungeon-punk style art instead of the art in the RotRL paper mini's
Oh hai,
I was just looking for a thread on this :)When it comes to paper mini's, I really hope to see more with art like on the covers and the Beginner's box (I'll probally be buying the box just for the pawns).
I've looked over the "Rise of the Runelord" paper mini's, but they all just look so cartoony to me. If I can suggest it, I'd like Paizo to have more realistic or dungeon-punk style art instead of the art in the RotRL paper mini's
The problem is that scaled down, all of the highly detailed art in Adventure Paths (and elsewhere) loses a lot in translation. Not saying that it's impossible, but it doesn't do the original art justice.
Also, the Pathfinder Paper Minis line is licensed out to third parties, so the art will vary depending on the artist.
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If you start doing regional/ethnic sets for humans, I would probably suggest doing Varisians, Chelaxians and Shoanti first.
Hmm, that's an interesting idea. I wonder if we could figure out how to do that but also keep some of the regional flavors as well.
I would buy:Ulfen men and women of various classes. No horned helms please!
Irrissian witches as well as Ulfen servants, ice trolls, ice fey, frost giants, and other northern horrors.
You could bundle as a Frozen North collection.
That's a neat idea. I haven't picked up the Linnorm Kings book yet but I'm sure they have their share of mounts and monstrous guards that could go in a set.
Elves! Elves! Elves!
I'm sensing a hint here...
Now I'm curious what Liz has up her sleeve with halflings.As a cash-strapped father of four, I love your product! My older girls are jsut beginning to play (thank you starter box) and I don;t have to fear them ruining a carefully painted metal miniature. I just print what I need and replace as needed.
I'm so glad to hear the paper minis are working out for you, Redbranch, especially for your kids to play with!
Oh hai,
I've looked over the "Rise of the Runelord" paper mini's, but they all just look so cartoony to me. If I can suggest it, I'd like Paizo to have more realistic or dungeon-punk style art instead of the art in the RotRL paper mini's
Sorry the sets don't work for you, Charles. :)
I have tons of PC minis...I'll always pick up more, but I'm more interested in adversaries...
And nobody's done much with hobgoblins or bugbears yet (though I'm not thrilled with teh bald, downward ears bugbears....)
Or other assorted monsters...
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So how could an artist like myself get into making paper minis for paizo. I love the sets and have a ton of them myself. But the problem I've seen is that there is always a pretty big gap in between set releases. I've also noticed that other artist work on different sets. So I figure more artist the more sets we could get out to meet the demand.
So how could an artist like myself get into making paper minis for paizo. I love the sets and have a ton of them myself. But the problem I've seen is that there is always a pretty big gap in between set releases. I've also noticed that other artist work on different sets. So I figure more artist the more sets we could get out to meet the demand.
Send me a link to your website so I can take a look at your art. :)
I was going to say Goblins, but I realized there is already a set, and I own it. So I will say MOAR GOBLINS!
What I really want is all the figures I'd need to run the Caves of Chaos. I know, you couldn't officially advertise that. On the other hand, if you do a set for each of the monsters in Classic Monsters Revisited, that would work perfectly.
Edit to list:
Bugbear
Gnoll - check
Goblin - check
Hobgoblin
Kobold
Lizardfolk
Minotaur
Ogre - check
Orc - check
Troll
;)
It's my hope that once Ashton is done slaving away at the Legacy of Fire AP that he'll get a chance to update the Goblins set to the new standard set out in Orcs of Golarion.
I do have plans for monster-focused sets as well, but they are low on the list at the moment. :D
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For me, these are most useful for the APs when filling in the gaps that other minis lines leave open: large quantities of rare monsters (like stone giants), Colossal/Gargantuan non-dragons, or Paizo/AP-specific monsters and NPCs.
I'd like to see a more consistent pattern of AP mini releases.
Currently available:
ROTR - 6 volumes + bestiary
CotCT - 0
SD - 0
LoF - 2
CoT - 0
KM - 2
SS - 2
CC - 0
I think that it would benefit the line if there was more focus on only 2 APs at a time: the most recent/current one, and finishing off one of the older ones. Perhaps when Skulls & Shackletons starts, that would be possible (hmmm... ship minis?). I know that the minis will not release at the same time as the volumes, but is 2-3 months later feasible?
Thanks all for the hard work. These are great products, and my comments are only meant to be constructive/wishful.
I'd certainly like to see more consistent AP releases myself! Fortunately, I have an artist already set up for Skull & Shackletons...er, Skull & Shackles, so I hope that the timing with that AP will be much better than in previous sets.
Once the APs are caught up, then I can look at doing some more monster and regional sets. :D
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One idea I had was 'Challenge Rating Monster Sets' (we wouldn't need any orcs though LOL) based on the available Bestiaries where you are given two of each monster and you can merely print out extra sheets for more tokens. The downside is that it would be a huge undertaking and would a GM actually use each token for each CR? eg:
Set 1: Bestiary 1 CR 1/8 - CR 2
CR 1/8 bat, toad
CR 1/6 lizard, raven
CR 1/4 cat, kobold, mite, monkey, rat
CR 1/3 dire rat, dog, drow, duergar, fire beetle, goblin, hawk, merfolk, orc, owl, skeleton (human)
CR 1/2 aasimar, dolphin, eagle, giant centipede, hobgoblin, poison
frog, pony, riding dog, stirge, tengu, tiefling, vegepygmy,
viper, weasel, zombie (human)
CR 1 air elemental (small), darkmantle, earth elemental (small), fire
elemental (small), ghoul, giant frog, giant spider, gnoll, goblin
dog, homunculus, horse, hyena, lemure, lizardfolk, octopus,
pseudodragon, spider swarm, squid, svirfneblin, troglodyte,
venomous snake, water elemental (small), wolf
CR 2 aurochs, bat swarm, boar, boggard, bugbear, cave fisher,
cheetah, choker, constrictor snake, crocodile, dark
creeper, dire bat, dretch, electric eel, giant ant, giant
crab, giant leech, gorilla, imp, iron cobra, lantern archon,
leopard, monitor lizard, morlock, quasit, rat swarm,
sahuagin, shark, shocker lizard, skeletal champion, skum,
vargouille, wererat, werewolf, wolverine, worg, yellow
musk creeper
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and so..we'd have this
Bestiary 2: CR 1/2 - 2
CR 1/2 baboon, badger, crawling hand, dhampir, fetchling, giant
maggot, grindylow, grippli, ifrit, locathah, monstrous
roach, oread, pugwampi, snapping turtle, stingray, sylph,
undine, xtabay
CR 1 akata, amoeba swarm, brownie, camel, cave scorpion,
compsognathus, giant amoeba, giant bee, giant fly, giant
gar, giant solifugid, giant tick, grig, gryph, hippocampus, ice
elemental (Small), jinkin, krenshar, lightning elemental (Small),
magma elemental (Small), manta ray, mongrelman, mud
elemental (Small), ram, reefclaw, skulk, vexgit
CR 2 arbiter, azer, blindheim, blink dog, cacodaemon, cassisian,
cythnigot, dire badger, draugr, flesh-eating cockroach swarm,
forlarren, giant toad, hippogriff, juju zombie, leprechaun,
lyrakian, monkey swarm, nuglub, ogrekin, paracletus,
silvanshee, sinspawn, slime mold, slurk, soulbound doll,
thoqqua, triton, voidworm, wereboar
And then there's stuff from the non-Bestiary books (not complete):
CR 1/8
Torble
CR 1/3
Gillman, Human Skeleton, Sanguine ooze swarm, Severed head, Strix
CR ½
Biloko, Changeling, Ectoplasmic creature, Flaming skull, Four-armed mudra skeleton, Giant maggot, Haniver, Human Zombie, Phlegmatic ooze swarm, Pugwampi, Suli, Thylacine, Zhyen
CR 1
Animated manacles, Carbuncle, Clawbat, Elk, Giant Fly, Hollow Helm, Jenkin, Melancholic ooze swarm, Skeletal mount, Skull swarm, Vexgit, Wood idol, Zombie wolf
CR 2
Animated Jack-o’-lantern, Apocalypse zombie, Armoured ogre skeleton, Bog strider, Boggard, Bone idol, Brush thylacine, Charau-ka, Choleric ooze swarm, Doru, Fungus Leshy, Giant beheaded, Lyrakien, Guardian Phantom Armour, Nosoi, Ratling, River elk, Snake swarm, Shadowgarm, Skin stealer, Tatzlwyrm, Thawn, Torble swarm
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I would really like a Drow set. They are as iconic as orcs (which was an amazing set by the way). They tend to fill in anywhere (and a lot of Second Darkness) and on occasion, I have player's who like to play drow.
I'm glad you liked the orc set, Icaste Fyrbawl. Thanks!
I'd be interested to hear what top 5 races people would like to see. Most may pick the Core rulebook choices but I imagine drow and a few others choices would slip in too. It's always good to know for the future.
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I think what would be really helpful would be Paper Minis sets based on Pathfinder Society scenarios. I think this would be a good synergy for home games because of the low price point. For PFS play, it would be really nice to be able to download one or two sheets with all of the bad guys necessary to run an adventure.
These sets could leverage existing art: there are already plenty of Paper Minis with goblins, orcs, skeletons, and what-have-you. NPCs could be substituted (need an elf archer? That Shalelu mini will do just fine!). And each set might contain a couple of new minis, which could then be added to the library available for future sets.
In my experience, most PFS scenarios would only require 10-20 minis. If some of them were re-used, the sets could be turned around quickly with a minimum of new art, and still allow for PFS GMs to have an easy way to make sure they have the minis needed for a given session.
Thanks very much for everything you've done so far. I look forward to future sets! :-)
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The PFS sets are definitely in the future but I think the general thought is to get the APs done first and then move on to other stuff. I would love to do that eventually, it would be cool to see a bunch of tables using them at Paizocon!
Fair enough; I definitely see the value in getting the APs done first. Now if only you all could get through Kingmaker. . . ;-)
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The PFS sets are definitely in the future but I think the general thought is to get the APs done first and then move on to other stuff. I would love to do that eventually, it would be cool to see a bunch of tables using them at Paizocon!Fair enough; I definitely see the value in getting the APs done first. Now if only you all could get through Kingmaker. . . ;-)
What, you're not excited about the next Crimson Throne...?
*shakes fist*;-)
The set I'd most love to see at this point in time is one for the next chapter of Kingmaker (i.e. The Varnhold Vanishing).
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I would really like a Drow set. They are as iconic as orcs (which was an amazing set by the way). They tend to fill in anywhere (and a lot of Second Darkness) and on occasion, I have player's who like to play drow.I'm glad you liked the orc set, Icaste Fyrbawl. Thanks!
I'd be interested to hear what top 5 races people would like to see. Most may pick the Core rulebook choices but I imagine drow and a few others choices would slip in too. It's always good to know for the future.
Drow (bad guys, anti-heroes, an entire AP about them)
Teiflings (bad guys, good guys, anti-heroes, heroes during Council of Thieves)
Dwarves (you can never have too many of these guys)
Varied Ethnicity Humans (since they don't all look alike)
Any Oni (because of their varied and unique nature!)
Or other assorted monsters...Like...?
More Kobolds. Hobgoblins. Some of the races from the ARG. Intellegent monsters that might be useful to ahve a few variants of.
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I'm loving that the modules are getting Paper Minis now, but I noticed that there haven't been any for the APs since Shattered Star. Is there a Reign of Winter set in the works? I'm planning to pitch RoW this evening as the next AP for us to play, and it would be *awesome* to have mini support for it.
Of course, my blue toner cartridge might disagree, but still...
Is there a Reign of Winter set in the works? I'm planning to pitch RoW this evening as the next AP for us to play, and it would be *awesome* to have mini support for it.
Of course, my blue toner cartridge might disagree, but still...
Yes, there is. :)
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To resurrect this thread...firstly, I love these products and wish there was a release for every module, PFS scenario and AP, but realise that is not possible without a lot more artists on board :) I would offer my services, but I don't think a set of badly drawn stick figures would help.
That said, it would be great if the partly finished AP sets were completed (and if Carrion Crown was done).
Part APs:
Kingmaker - 3 of 6 finished
Legacy of Fire - 2 of 6 finished
Reign of Winter - 3 of 6 finished
The paper mini sets are actually part of our decision making process for what AP to play. We will play without, but there is a heavy tick on the positive side for those with paper minis.
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While I'd love to see a full set of minis for all of the races in the Advanced Race Guide (like what the Orcs and Halflings have), I recognize that that is a lot of work.
As something of a middle ground, would it be possible to get a set that has 3-4 minis of each of the non-core races in the ARG?
It would be something like an Arcane caster looking mini, a Divine caster looking mini, a Martial type mini, and a Rogue type mini of each of the races. While having both genders represented would be awesome, just having them as semi-generic representations of the race/class would be a lot better than the current way of things (which is nothing).
Also, a set that consists of the monsters (Gargantuan/Colossal/Colossal+ sized) that have been left out of the various Pawns product boxes would be awesome.
Keep up the good work though, I love the sets and use one or more of them every session I play.
I second the call for completing the Legacy of Fire set. I have been waiting a while for the rest of these to come out. I really like the art style on them.
Bit of a thread rez here, but some questions.
Is there any word on completion dates for the older AP sets that are in progress? Is there a chance that there will be a change in artists on those sets just to get them done?
Any chance of seeing more sets like the Summon Monster/Nature's Ally ones? Or a follow up set(s) that includes the monsters from customized summoning lists (from either worshiping a specific deity or the Summon Good/Neutral/Evil Monster feats)?
While I know this is probably stepping on the toes of the Pawns line, what are the chances of seeing a Bestiary (1/2/3/4) paper minis set?
Lastly, is there a chance of being able to subscribe to the Paper Minis line?
Thanks.
Bit of a thread rez here, but some questions.
Is there any word on completion dates for the older AP sets that are in progress? Is there a chance that there will be a change in artists on those sets just to get them done?
Any chance of seeing more sets like the Summon Monster/Nature's Ally ones? Or a follow up set(s) that includes the monsters from customized summoning lists (from either worshiping a specific deity or the Summon Good/Neutral/Evil Monster feats)?
While I know this is probably stepping on the toes of the Pawns line, what are the chances of seeing a Bestiary (1/2/3/4) paper minis set?
Lastly, is there a chance of being able to subscribe to the Paper Minis line?
Thanks.
What sort of sets in the line of Summon Monster/Nature's Ally are you thinking of?
I don't think that we will see a Paper Minis Subscription because these are not Paizo products, they are licsensed products. My understanding is that you would need to subscribe to the company that is licsensed to make Paper Minis.
I still want to see a Carrion Crown set of minis.
What sort of sets in the line of Summon Monster/Nature's Ally are you thinking of?I don't think that we will see a Paper Minis Subscription because these are not Paizo products, they are licsensed products. My understanding is that you would need to subscribe to the company that is licsensed to make Paper Minis.
I still want to see a Carrion Crown set of minis.
Off the top of my head: the variant summon monster lists, improved familiars, animal companions, and eidolons.
Pathfinder Battles is a licensed product that offers a subscription handled via Paizo's website. As the company(?) "Pathfinder Paper Minis" has no apparent web presence outside of their store on Paizo's website, nor does their product appear to be offered anywhere other than Paizo's website, and the person soliciting suggestions for new products in the line at the start of this thread is also involved with Paizo's website, I thought it couldn't hurt to ask.
What sort of sets in the line of Summon Monster/Nature's Ally are you thinking of?I don't think that we will see a Paper Minis Subscription because these are not Paizo products, they are licsensed products. My understanding is that you would need to subscribe to the company that is licsensed to make Paper Minis.
I still want to see a Carrion Crown set of minis.
Off the top of my head: the variant summon monster lists, improved familiars, animal companions, and eidolons.
Pathfinder Battles is a licensed product that offers a subscription handled via Paizo's website. As the company(?) "Pathfinder Paper Minis" has no apparent web presence outside of their store on Paizo's website, nor does their product appear to be offered anywhere other than Paizo's website, and the person soliciting suggestions for new products in the line at the start of this thread is also involved with Paizo's website, I thought it couldn't hurt to ask.
Good point about Pathfinder Battles!
Variant Summon Monster Lists: Maybe if you posted the list, someone will make it? It never hurts to do some of the initial footwork to encourage an artist to make a product.
Animal Companions: Some of the animal companions are in the Summon Monster/Nature's Ally Sets. Maybe we could convince Callous Jack to make a set of the Animal Companions that are not in those two products?
Improved Familiars: This is just the sort of thing that Paper Minis are GREAT for! A metal mini of an improved familiar creature might be a tough sell, but paper minis have a lower price point. I agree on this one!
Eidolons: That's a tough one since an eidolon looks like whatever you want it to look like...
I think a bigger obstacle to a subscription is that while in the case of Parhfinder Battles, the second party producer of the miniatures is a decent-sized company in its own right, whereas the people who make Pathfinder Paper Minis are doing it as, at best, a second job. So (hopefully without insulting Callous Jack and company) I don't think it would be fair to expect as predictable or reliable a schedule for the paper minis as from most other second party producers working with Paizo.
I'd be quite happy to see a set for Tower of the Last Baron.
You can never have enough Gnomes!
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We are now in the last book of Serpent Skull, and are thinking of Mummy's Mask for the next one to play. Any chance of some paper minis for that??
I love these so much....we are playing through Emerald Spire as a home game and I am considering running it for PFS, just so I get to use the figures again :)
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Next question: Any chance for Crystal to finish off the Kingmaker ones. It would be really nice to have the gaps in the AP lines filled in.
We tend to play every weekend, but with different groups, so we can have three or four APs happening at once, and I am selfish, and would like Paper Minis for all of them.
On a serious note: are these still a going concern? It has been a while since a release.