Is there currently a PrC or archtype, that I missed, that will make something similar to the 3.5e Ur-Priest? (There was also something similar for in the 3.0e Kalamar setting.)
If not, has someone seen a well done conversion?
Have a player whose considering a backstory of blaming the gods for all the world's problems. Wanted to make something like the Ur-Priest available to him. It would have to be effective enough to still be playable. He doesn't demand to be the best, but can't stand feeling like he is hold everyone else back.
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Nothing like this exists thus far (to my knowledge), but the original Ur Priest was a munchkin abomination. And this is coming from a min maxer.
The Ur Priest concept is simple, though: you hate the gods for X reason, and steal their power rather than obtain it through worship. Granting the character 9 levels of spells over a 10 level class is a terrible idea, but the concept is fantastic. It would be very easy to simply reflavor a cleric of ideals to this with little to no mechanical changes. Hell, an oracle could already be thought to do this. Perhaps the character was struck down by the gods (oracle curse) and now uses the wound as a spiritual link to divinity and siphons off magical power to use as his own? Bam! Instant Ur Priest.
Just a thought.
Nothing like this exists thus far (to my knowledge), but the original Ur Priest was a munchkin abomination.
Just a thought.
I agree that one should never have seen print, and I doubt Paizo will recreate it in that form. At least I hope not.
Is there currently a PrC or archtype, that I missed, that will make something similar to the 3.5e Ur-Priest? (There was also something similar for in the 3.0e Kalamar setting.)
If not, has someone seen a well done conversion?Have a player whose considering a backstory of blaming the gods for all the world's problems. Wanted to make something like the Ur-Priest available to him. It would have to be effective enough to still be playable. He doesn't demand to be the best, but can't stand feeling like he is hold everyone else back.
2 Questions:
1.) is the character of evil alignment? Because that is a prerequisite of the original Ur-Priest thus restricting the PrC to mostly NPCs2.) does the player intend to start off as a cleric and then "lose faith" or be abandoned by their gods thus forcing this change?
Is there currently a PrC or archtype, that I missed, that will make something similar to the 3.5e Ur-Priest? (There was also something similar for in the 3.0e Kalamar setting.)
If not, has someone seen a well done conversion?Have a player whose considering a backstory of blaming the gods for all the world's problems. Wanted to make something like the Ur-Priest available to him. It would have to be effective enough to still be playable. He doesn't demand to be the best, but can't stand feeling like he is hold everyone else back.
What you can do is allow him to get his spells by other means, meaning he will not be a cleric for RP reasons, but still gets cleric powers as far as mechanics go. He should still have a code of some sort to keep him balanced with an actual cleric, but that is less important than finding an alternate power source, since most players don't violate their tenets anyway.
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I 2nd the idea to just use Oracle. His curse is why he hates the Gods (though who knows it`s real cause, maybe it was an accident), yet he somehow now has the power of the Gods as well... and wants to ultimately destroy all the Gods, or un-Deify the, or... something, it`s not like he actually needs to have it all planned out 100% :-) Maybe in the end, he will decide that forcing the Gods to accept him as one of them is enough for him.
Dark Tapestry, Time, Heavens, Nature, and maybe Life seem like good Revelations for such a path...
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Ah Quandry has ninja'ed me with his suggestion of the Oracle.
Well, talking about min maxing, back in 3.5, a character class combination I always wanted to try was 10 levels of Dread necormancer, and 10 levels of Ur priest. I think that was a combination that would only have really worked untill 19 or 20 level.
Yes, the Ur-Priest did seem kinda over the top. Although since your caster level was only 10 the spell effects were sometimes odd. The other one from Kalamar was the other direction. Almost unplayably weak.
Not really always evil, he was talking like semi-schizo-bipolar. Lawful or neutral good toward other people/creatures and chaotic neutral or evil toward the gods/churches.
... an oracle could already be thought to do this. Perhaps the character was struck down by the gods (oracle curse) and now uses the wound as a spiritual link to divinity and siphons off magical power to use as his own...
I 2nd the idea to just use Oracle. His curse is why he hates the Gods ... Dark Tapestry, Time, Heavens, Nature, and maybe Life seem like good Revelations for such a path...
I like this idea. I will bring it upto him. Thx folks.