Item creation: can you?

[Ingenwulf]

Can you really make a wonderous item even if you don't have any of the prerequisite spells, nor even the class and/or level to cast them? Really?

[Cheapy]

Yes, for +5 to the spellcraft DC per missing prerequisite.

[Ingenwulf]

Cheapy wrote:

Yes, for +5 to the spellcraft DC per missing prerequisite.

Would that be +5 for lacking the spell, +5 for not being the right class,and another +5 for being too low a level? Or just a blanket +5 for the lot?

Edited to say thanks for the quick answer btw.

[Mistwalker]

Ingenwulf wrote:

Cheapy wrote:

Yes, for +5 to the spellcraft DC per missing prerequisite.

Would that be +5 for lacking the spell, +5 for not being the right class,and another +5 for being too low a level? Or just a blanket +5 for the lot?

That would be +5 per spell, +5 for being below the suggested CL. The spell penalty will cover the wrong class, so no need to add an additional penalty.

[Cheapy]

Ingenwulf wrote:

Cheapy wrote:

Yes, for +5 to the spellcraft DC per missing prerequisite.

Would that be +5 for lacking the spell, +5 for not being the right class,and another +5 for being too low a level? Or just a blanket +5 for the lot?

Edited to say thanks for the quick answer btw.

There are very few items that require the correct class, but for every requirement listed in the requirement field of an item that you don't meet, you raise the spellcraft DC by 5.

There's some confusion over whether you need to be the right caster level. This confusion stems from some items that have a required CL explicitly listed in the requirements.

Personally, I believe you don't need to meet the CL unless it's listed in the requirements section, in which case you can just raise the DC by 5.

[Chakfor]

Cheapy wrote:

Ingenwulf wrote:

Cheapy wrote:

Yes, for +5 to the spellcraft DC per missing prerequisite.

Would that be +5 for lacking the spell, +5 for not being the right class,and another +5 for being too low a level? Or just a blanket +5 for the lot?

Edited to say thanks for the quick answer btw.

There are very few items that require the correct class, but for every requirement listed in the requirement field of an item that you don't meet, you raise the spellcraft DC by 5.

There's some confusion over whether you need to be the right caster level. This confusion stems from some items that have a required CL explicitly listed in the requirements.

Personally, I believe you don't need to meet the CL unless it's listed in the requirements section, in which case you can just raise the DC by 5.

Also note that the CL for some items (I.E. 1st level pearl of power) aren't really configured correctly. The above example can be found in the FAQ.

Remember that a spellcaster can take 10 on the spellcraft checks as well.

EX: A 5th level wizard with a 23 int (18 base, +2 racial, +1 level bump, +2 headband) will have a 14 spellcraft (5base+6attribute bonus+3class skill).

He's attempting to make a belt of dwarvenkind for his fighter buddy.

The DC for the belt is a 17 (CL+5). However, he's a human wizard so he'll add +5 for not being a dwarf. That brings it to a 22. He also doesn't have tongues as a spell, that adds another +5 for a total of 27.

If he takes 10 he'll fail the check and he has to beat a 13 on the dice to make the item. His fighter buddy thinks this is a little high so he spends the cash to have another spellcaster supply the tongues spell. That eliminates the previous +5 penalty, gives the item a 22DC. This is barely enough for our wizard to take 10.