Stormblood Bloodline question.

[Tharg The Pirate King]

I asked this once before and never got an answer so I am trying this again. here is the ability in question.

Stormchild (Ex): At 3rd level, you gain resist electricity 5 and resist sonic 5, and treat wind effects as being one step less severe. At 9th level, you treat wind effects as being two steps less severe and gain blindsense 60 feet against concealment from natural or magical fog, mist, or weather effects.

This makes no sense because blindsense does not work against concealment. Only blindsight works against Concealment. At level 20 they get this.

Storm Lord (Ex): At 20th level, you are one with the storm. You gain immunity to deafness, stunning, and wind effects and gain blindsight 120 feet against concealment from natural or magical fog, mist, or weather...

I at first didnt notice that one was blindsense and the other was blindsight, I thought that at level 9 you have 60 feet and then at 20 this would increase to 120 that was before I realized it was blindsense at level 9. What I do not understand is why Blindsense and why the description would say that it works against concealment when Blindsense does not work against concealment at all, its a useless ability, it only would make sense of the ability at level 9 was Blindsight 60 feet. Sense it works against concealment.

So my question is, has anyone else noticed this and does it not seem like they should have used blindsight in the level 9 portion of the 1 bloodline power? If not then why, because I dont see why you would want an ability that cant be used since it only is suppose to work on concealment and it doesnt actually work for concealment.

[Starbuck_II]

Tharg The Pirate King wrote:

I asked this once before and never got an answer so I am trying this again. here is the ability in question.

Stormchild (Ex): At 3rd level, you gain resist electricity 5 and resist sonic 5, and treat wind effects as being one step less severe. At 9th level, you treat wind effects as being two steps less severe and gain blindsense 60 feet against concealment from natural or magical fog, mist, or weather effects.

This makes no sense because blindsense does not work against concealment. Only blindsight works against Concealment. At level 20 they get this.

Storm Lord (Ex): At 20th level, you are one with the storm. You gain immunity to deafness, stunning, and wind effects and gain blindsight 120 feet against concealment from natural or magical fog, mist, or weather...

I at first didnt notice that one was blindsense and the other was blindsight, I thought that at level 9 you have 60 feet and then at 20 this would increase to 120 that was before I realized it was blindsense at level 9. What I do not understand is why Blindsense and why the description would say that it works against concealment when Blindsense does not work against concealment at all, its a useless ability, it only would make sense of the ability at level 9 was Blindsight 60 feet. Sense it works against concealment.

No, it does work vs concealment because it says it does. It is an exception to normal rules.

Blindsight's limitation of only 120 feet is weird though. Normally, it ignores all concealment anyway.

[Tharg The Pirate King]

Its one of those issues where I am unsure what they were thinking when they wrote it up. Now I think for the Blindsight the reason they stated only works for concealment is the last part where it is far fog,mist etc. even if you have this blindsight and a creature is invisble you will not see him because he is getting concealment from being invisible not from the fog. But its the Blindsense that bothers me, it really seems like they meant for it to be blindsight as well and just wrote the wrong word (not something unuasal for Pathfinder to do).

[Sekret_One]

I think it's blindsense because early on you know what space they are in. It's not completely useless, seeing as they don't even know where you are, but you could shoot at them (with a concealment chance to miss of course) but you could do it. That, or you could just throw AOE spells at them.

[Tharg The Pirate King]

Sekret_One wrote:

I think it's blindsense because early on you know what space they are in. It's not completely useless, seeing as they don't even know where you are, but you could shoot at them (with a concealment chance to miss of course) but you could do it. That, or you could just throw AOE spells at them.

but why state it is for concealment only. Most weather affects for fog do not hinder your sight, other than giveing a concealment miss chance so why would blindsense be useful? if it worked agaisnt concealment I could understand it being beneficial but since it normally does not its useless. Only when fog blocks all sight would it be of some benefit. so if it works for all fog/mist and weather concealments both magical and nartural, then how can it be benefical unless they meant blindsight.

[Sekret_One]

But most weather effects do block line of sight, including and especially fog.

Fog Cloud, sleet storm, and solid fog all block line of sight beyond 5 feet.

The way they have it phrased is pretty odd though. Maybe it is a typo? It does seem a little weak for a 9th level bloodline.

[Malignor]

Being able to pinpoint the square of your target through sleet/fog/cover isn't that weak an ability.
It allows the sorcerer to use fog spells/effects, and then (while everyone else is blinded) use rays and AoE spells by aiming at the appropriate squares. It effectively adds a nice trick to the Sorcerer's repertoire.

[Tharg The Pirate King]

I just wish we could get an official ruling on wether they meant blindsense and or if it is a typo and they were suppose to be blindsight. and or if blindsense in this instance works different than normal because of wording?... something official would be nice.. but never seem to get that