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The US had no choice, and we still stand ready to defend the world from the Northern Menace.
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Wait...is it evil to kill a baby goblin? Because really, at the end of the day, that's all Canada is. A baby goblin, which must be killed, lest it grow up to be an adult goblin, which lights fires and kills dogs and stuff.
I say, the problem is not that Warplan Red existed, it is that it was never implemented!!!
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Note that the plan was defensive in nature, in case Commonwealth imperial designs threatened American security. Here's a little secret, we have planned for the possibility for war with Oz, both the nation and the Emerald City, as well. One of my training instructors favorite scenarios was a surprise attack by Klingon Forces.
It shouldn't be surprising to any of us at this point that there is always some paranoid person somewhere, thinking up some bad idea, and that they are often in positions of power.
they don't even bring their guns to the mall.
Time for a pre emptive strike!
Note that the plan was defensive in nature, in case Commonwealth imperial designs threatened American security. Here's a little secret, we have planned for the possibility for war with Oz, both the nation and the Emerald City, as well. One of my training instructors favorite scenarios was a surprise attack by Klingon Forces.
According to this, we had a plan to invade Iceland. Really?
That's what they get for not having proper surnames!
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So, this is what happens from inhaling too much helium. Interesting...
Note that the plan was defensive in nature, in case Commonwealth imperial designs threatened American security. Here's a little secret, we have planned for the possibility for war with Oz, both the nation and the Emerald City, as well. One of my training instructors favorite scenarios was a surprise attack by Klingon Forces.
According to this, we had a plan to invade Iceland. Really?
That's what they get for not having proper surnames!
It was probably for the girls.
Yea yea, great whte devil, godless infiels, bla bla bla
The Australian military regularly war-games and trains for a conflict with a generic "cough Indonesia cough" South East Asian neighbor.
In regards to WWII I think that plan was incase of something very extreme happening. If the UK were to fall parliament and the Crown would have relocated to Canada. The US and Wilson who were especially keen to avoid committing troops would have continued to arm and pay for Commonwealth resistance to the German occupation of Europe.
It was only when the Germans declared war on the US (after Pearl Harbour) did the US feel it has the backing of the majority of it's citizens to engage in a war in Europe. Had Italy and Germany not declared war, I do not doubt that the US would have become involved in Europe the focus would have been different.
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So I take it you never heard of Defensive scheme #1
made in 1921 as a preemptive strike against the US? War Plan Red wasn't put into play and wasn't even thought of until the mid to late 1920's way after Canada was planning on attacking us. You are a silly little Dingo aren't you?
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Silly argument.
Any competent military will have plans for dealing with any number of scenarios. War with one of the major powers of the day would be one of them.
It was not a secret plan to invade Canada that was only stopped by WWII.
Since when is attack beyond one's borders Defensive? pre-emptive perhaps but involving attacks on all british nations?
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Note that the plan was defensive in nature, in case Commonwealth imperial designs threatened American security. Here's a little secret, we have planned for the possibility for war with Oz, both the nation and the Emerald City, as well. One of my training instructors favorite scenarios was a surprise attack by Klingon Forces.
If D&D has taught me anything, only the metallic colours are good ones.
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The US had no choice, and we still stand ready to defend the world from the Northern Menace.
One Breeding Pair of Kangaroos and your populace will be fighting over grain...
Lets call that Warplan YellowDingo
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If D&D has taught me anything, only the metallic colours are good ones.Note that the plan was defensive in nature, in case Commonwealth imperial designs threatened American security. Here's a little secret, we have planned for the possibility for war with Oz, both the nation and the Emerald City, as well. One of my training instructors favorite scenarios was a surprise attack by Klingon Forces.
What was Warplan White? Kill the Objectionists?
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It shouldn't be surprising to any of us at this point that there is always some paranoid person somewhere, thinking up some bad idea, and that they are often in positions of power.
But most of the time, they're in their mom's basement.
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Warplan Red was more than just a Plan:
Unlike the other colour-coded plans, however, the US Congress approved $US57 million for War Plan Red. This money was used to build three military airfields disguised as civilian airports on the Canadian border, which would be used to launch pre-emptive surprise strikes against Canadian air forces and defences.
One Breeding Pair of Kangaroos and your populace will be fighting over grain...
-Please. There's more white tailed dear in new york than there are people. We're used to large herbivores. And anything that can have a baby in a handbag would be a cute addition to the local fauna.
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Sheesh... War Plan Red? An obvious over reaction to us burning down the white house a century earlier :)
If we'd known you were going to unleash Celene Dion on us we would have called it "understated"
So I take it you never heard of Defensive scheme #1
made in 1921 as a preemptive strike against the US? War Plan Red wasn't put into play and wasn't even thought of until the mid to late 1920's way after Canada was planning on attacking us. You are a silly little Dingo aren't you?
There where precursers to both War Plan Red (on the US side) and Defencive Scheme #1 (on the British Empire's side) however. In fact both the British Empire and America pretty much had some kind of plans in the works from the end of the revolution until at least WWII. Plans that would evolve depending on the various circumstances. I've visited one of the Canadian forts (its a musiem know - Fort George IIRC) built along the 'defensive line' between the 1870's and the 1890's. Interesting and very advanced for their time.
As I recall the plan in 1880's Canada was to hold on at key fortifications until reinforcements from the rest of the Empire could arrive.
In any case Dingo is off his rocker as usual. Plans like this where part of a staff officers training. You could not get to the upper echelons of the peace time American army without either developing one of these plans or updating one of them.
I believe the first 'Rainbow' plan was actually War Plan Black. Wikipedia mentions the version that existed between the wars but the one I read a pretty detailed description of involved war with Germany circa 1880 and covered its developments up until World War I. This version of War Plan Black mainly dealt with naval actions and there was a constant shift back and forth (depending on who had most recently updated the plan to fulfill their 'academic requirements' between whether to defend New York from naval blockade or retreat to the Caribbean and wait for Pacific fleet to arrive and combine with Atlantic fleet before seeking the decisive battle. A big part of what kept modifying the plan was that there was a constant shift in belief between whether America had the superior dreadnought fleet or Germany had the superior dreadnought fleet since there was both significant technological improvements during the era and the balance would shift back and forth depending one which country had just commissioned the newest and biggest dreadnought class (both nations had rapidly expanding fleets during the era).
Note however that the various plans where both influenced by the types of equipment that was coming on line and also influenced what would be coming down the pipeline. If plans involving naval war where in the spotlight then military procurement would focus more on building war ships.
Any General Staff worth the money to buy its uniform buttons has war plans for each and every neighbor, plus any other reasonably probable opponents. And those are just the serious ones, not the pure training exercises.
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Invade Canada?
Better drink my own piss.
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This is the political equivalent of putting your brother in a headlock. :PWhat? No noogies?
Its much much worse than that.
So I take it you never heard of Defensive scheme #1
made in 1921 as a preemptive strike against the US? War Plan Red wasn't put into play and wasn't even thought of until the mid to late 1920's way after Canada was planning on attacking us. You are a silly little Dingo aren't you?
So....if Americans wishing to dodge the draft hightail it to Canada, where do Canadians go to avoid one? Mexico? The Arctic Circle? Tim Horton's?
Great. Now I'll be up all night worrying about this.
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So I take it you never heard of Defensive scheme #1
made in 1921 as a preemptive strike against the US? War Plan Red wasn't put into play and wasn't even thought of until the mid to late 1920's way after Canada was planning on attacking us. You are a silly little Dingo aren't you?So....if Americans wishing to dodge the draft hightail it to Canada, where do Canadians go to avoid one? Mexico? The Arctic Circle? Tim Horton's?
Great. Now I'll be up all night worrying about this.
South Africa??
Still more insidious is the US's current defense strategy: operation red.
Step 1:The canadian army shows up.
Step 2: We hand them the country and everything it owns.
Step 3: we run like hell because step 2 included the national debt.