Shaman vs. Archetype wildshaping


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Silver Crusade

How do they combine? Say I have an archetype that wild shapes at a -2 to Druid level, and a shaman that wild shapes into his totem at +2, and everything else at -2. Are these compatible at all? Would I then wild shape into the totem at my Druid level, and anything else at -4?


I've never seen it explicitly stated that you can't take multiple archetypes (not saying that this is true/false), but in your case it's incompatible.

Specifically, an archetype changes out specific class features for new class features. If you don't have the class feature to swap out then, plainly, you're not eligible for the archetype. The shaman wild shape swaps out standard wild shape and replaces it with shaman specific. In fact, the shaman archetypes change nearly every facet of the druid, making them incompatible with any other archetype.

Silver Crusade

Sean FitzSimon wrote:

I've never seen it explicitly stated that you can't take multiple archetypes (not saying that this is true/false), but in your case it's incompatible.

Specifically, an archetype changes out specific class features for new class features. If you don't have the class feature to swap out then, plainly, you're not eligible for the archetype. The shaman wild shape swaps out standard wild shape and replaces it with shaman specific. In fact, the shaman archetypes change nearly every facet of the druid, making them incompatible with any other archetype.

I guess you're right. Still a good option for GM fiat, but not RAW I suppose. Thanks, though.

Grand Lodge

Generally speaking none of these archetypes will stack. They all give up or modify the same thing preventing them from being chosen together as a rule.

For home games if you wanted to say play a cave/bear shaman or something I would work with your GM to create a balanced version, maybe getting wild shape 2 levels later then applying all the benefits or maybe only getting totem forms 1/day at 6th without the +2 mod to level, than at level 8 be normal but 2/day and move from there.

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