Druid deciding between Earth or Weather domains

[DangerMaus]

Going with a domain for my druid and I am having a hard time deciding between the Earth and Weather domains. Earth has some good utility and battlefield control spells but the first 4 levels of spells require stone to affect. I assume that at least half of the time this will not be an issue but there could be periods where those spells are totally useless.
Weather has battlefield control and some damage but the upper level spells (control weather) seem weak. I'm also not 100% sold on Obscuring Mist and Fog Cloud. How often and how useful do people really find these 2 spells?

Any thoughts?

-dm

[Quandary]

Weather Domain: You should STRONGLY consider the Storm Druid Archetype.
It´s Eyes of the Storm ability seeing thru fog effects makes Obsc. Mist and Fog Cloud VERY useful.
(though your allies might hate you :-) )
You also eventually get TWO domains (and Spontaneously Convert to either Domain Spell instead of SNA),
so if you don´t like one domain spell at a certain spell level, you will have another option.

Also note that the Urban Druid Archetype gains Spontaneous Conversion to Domain Spells (instead of SNA) and can select the Weather Archetype (and Sub-Domains Storms and Seasons), for a potentially similar effect to the ´blasty´ Storm Druid Archetype (minus it´s other special abilities and 2nd Domain).

Earth Domain: You should look at the Caves/Metal Sub-Domains of Earth Domain , as well as the independent Cave and Mountain Terrain Domains*. There are also Cave and Mountain Druid Archetypes - Mountain Druid Archetype doesn´t affect Domain choice, while Cave Druid Archetype bars Air and Weather (and Sub-Domains of those).

*Note: Giving a Sub-Domain of Earth (Caves) nearly the same name as a different Terrain Domain (Cave) was NOT my idea :-)

[DangerMaus]

Quandary wrote:

Weather Domain: You should STRONGLY consider the Storm Druid Archetype.

It´s Eyes of the Storm ability seeing thru fog effects makes Obsc. Mist and Fog Cloud VERY useful.
(though your allies might hate you :-) )
You also eventually get TWO domains (and Spontaneously Convert to either Domain Spell instead of SNA),
so if you don´t like one domain spell at a certain spell level, you will have another option.

Earth Domain: You should look at the Caves/Metal Sub-Domains, as well as the Cave and Mountain Domains. There are also Cave and Mountain Druid Archetypes - Mountain Druid Archetype doesn´t affect Domain choice, while Cave Druid Archetype bars Air and Weather (and Sub-Domains of those).

Note: Giving a Sub-Domain of Earth (Caves) nearly the same name as a different Terrain Domain (Cave) was NOT my idea :-)

Can a regular Druid select subdomains?

-dm

[Cheapy]

Yes. Originally they were cleric only, but it was later clarified that anyone could take them.

Caves subdomain is amazing.

Create Pit spells are awesome.

[DangerMaus]

Cheapy wrote:

Yes. Originally they were cleric only, but it was later clarified that anyone could take them.

Caves subdomain is amazing.

Create Pit spells are awesome.

Is there a link to this clarification? I have searched message boards but can't find it.

-dm

[Cheapy]

DangerMaus wrote:

Cheapy wrote:

Yes. Originally they were cleric only, but it was later clarified that anyone could take them.

Caves subdomain is amazing.

Create Pit spells are awesome.

Is there a link to this clarification? I have searched message boards but can't find it.

-dm

Yep, here it is.

[Qik]

There's a link to the clarification on d20pfsrd:

Here.

Ninja'd.

[DangerMaus]

Cheapy wrote:

DangerMaus wrote:

Cheapy wrote:

Yes. Originally they were cleric only, but it was later clarified that anyone could take them.

Caves subdomain is amazing.

Create Pit spells are awesome.

Is there a link to this clarification? I have searched message boards but can't find it.

-dm

Yep, here it is.

Thanks.

Anyone else have other auggestions?

-dm

[Qik]

There's some nice synergy between the earth domain and the dwarf's stonesinger ability.

[Choant]

I have a mountain domain druid that I currently enjoy very much! I have the menhir savant archetype also. I looked at the storm caller domains but they are almost all the same spells so it didn't look interesting enough to me.