10ft reach and spring attack.

[Prawn]

One of the limitations of spring attack is that you can't attack someone that you are adjacent to at the beginning of your turn.

SRD says: "Benefit: As a full-round action, you can move up to your speed and make a single melee attack without provoking any attacks of opportunity from the target of your attack. You can move both before and after the attack, but you must move at least 10 feet before the attack and the total distance that you move cannot be greater than your speed. You cannot use this ability to attack a foe that is adjacent to you at the start of your turn."

If you had 10ft reach, you aren't really adjacent to them. So could you move 10 ft and attack them, then next turn move 10 feet more and attack them again?

Thanks
Prawn

[Muzzy]

Prawn wrote:

One of the limitations of spring attack is that you can't attack someone that you are adjacent to at the beginning of your turn.

SRD says: "Benefit: As a full-round action, you can move up to your speed and make a single melee attack without provoking any attacks of opportunity from the target of your attack. You can move both before and after the attack, but you must move at least 10 feet before the attack and the total distance that you move cannot be greater than your speed. You cannot use this ability to attack a foe that is adjacent to you at the start of your turn."

If you had 10ft reach, you aren't really adjacent to them. So could you move 10 ft and attack them, then next turn move 10 feet more and attack them again?

Thanks
Prawn

While that might be a nice loophole that violates the flavor or intention of the ability, I really have to ask why you'd want to. Spring Attack is a full-round action. If you can make a full-round action why wouldn't you just make a full-round attack?

Sure, you could move to flank an opponent, but then you'd still only make one attack. You could do that with normal movement and an attack.

Seems like a waste of a feat.

[Roaming Shadow]

Umm...you can do that without Spring Attack. If you have a ten foot reach, then why aren't you just smacking them in the face from reach normally? You get a lot more attacks that way.

The only scenario I can see even bothering with such a setup is if you have a reach weapon, fighting a creature with reach, and want to reposition yourself more than 5ft without provoking an AoO. In that case, it would work as you described. Essentially allowing you to strafe him within both your reach without provoking. A little situational, but at higher levels against bigger creature that likely have reach...I suppose it makes sense. Still, if you're needing to reposition yourself that many times, I think you're doing something wrong tactically, and if the enemy is staying withing you're reach, your likely just better off using a full attack, unless you're getting some kind of added benifit from moveing (like if you're a scout archetype rogue).

[Prawn]

Muzzy said "While that might be a nice loophole that violates the flavor or intention of the ability,:

If the ability meant for you not to attack the same person twice in a row, they could simply have said so. That's not what the feat says.

@ Roaming Shadow

Well, for one thing, you can get spring attack before you have more than one attack.

For another, what if you were in a narrow hallway, or are facing another creature with 10 ft reach? They would threaten where you would move.

I am not asking if it is advisable, merely if it is possible. When it comes up, it would be cool to use it in this way.

[Roaming Shadow]

So long as your intended target is not adjacent at the start of your move, and you move more than ten feet before the attack, you have met the requisites for using spring attack, regardless of whether or not you have reach. However, a spring attack does not allow your full attack allotment; it would have said so otherwise. Spring attack is it's own full round action because it allow you to move, attack, and move again without provoking an attack of opportunity from your intended target (though you still provoke from everyone else). That's a pretty potent ability, because it could allow you to step up to a creature with reach, negating it's ability to opp attack you, attack, and get out of reach. Or in your narrow hallway scenario, zip around behind an enemy for flanking, then get back to prevent an enemy then flanking you.

I'm afraid you can't full attack on a spring attack, as the only way to get extra/iterative attacks is by using a full attack unless explicitely stated otherwise (such as a full action flurry of blows for a monk), which spring attack does not. When you get spring attack has no bearing on how it can be used; you get one attack with a spring attack.