I don't see why not. I have a character who summons a cloud dragon (estraplanar dragon) and always treats it respectfully, rewards it, etc. I consider the relationship allies instead of master/slave.
I also like this idea for summoning a planar merchant like a Mercane. Profitable for both parties involved.
A happy slave is still a slave.
Just because you're putting up the pretense of respect doesn't mean you just ripped it away from its own life and expect them to serve you indefinitely for your convenience. Damn whatever else they were doing, you are more important.
A happy slave is still a slave.Just because you're putting up the pretense of respect doesn't mean you just ripped it away from its own life and expect them to serve you indefinitely for your convenience. Damn whatever else they were doing, you are more important.
Then don't make them a slave. Just because you have power over someone doesn't make them your slave. Police have the power to shoot you in the head, but they don't (generally). You don't pull them away arbitrarily or without great cause.
Plus to an immortal (as most planar entities are) even an entire lifetime of an elf (the longest lived PC race) is the blink of an eye.
It's about perspective.
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Summon planetar. Hang out for a bit. Share some exotic tea. Discuss the adventures you're planning on having and ask if he'd like to come along, for an appropriate reward. You could become friends. Maybe you don't need that true name after all.
Summon planetar. Hang out for a bit. Share some exotic tea. Discuss the adventures you're planning on having and ask if he'd like to come along, for an appropriate reward. You could become friends. Maybe you don't need that true name after all.
True that. Maybe over time through other spells (planar ally, Planar binding) you develop a relationship. Thorough that relationship you eventually learn the creatures true name and use it as a simpler way to summon it. Or something.
It does depend. Even celestial creatures are going to chaff at being forced to drop everything, no matter how important, to be commanded about by a mortal. As you said, mortals are gone in the blink of an eye, and their needs take the celestial away from long term but possibly sensitive projects.
And there's also the problem that every time you say the name there is a chance that someone else might overhear it. Outsiders don't want their name getting out there after all for that very reason.
Look at it this way. Planar Binding, Planar Ally, and Gate let you call an outsider to serve you. But they have the ability to refuse. A truename removes all choice from the Outsider. They have no choice whatsoever.
If it was a relationship between allies, you'd use the other spells to call him up. You wouldn't use the method that removes his freewill.
Now, it doesn't mean that it has to be antagonistic, but it isn't going to be a relationship between equals, allies or friends. Even treating him well and with respect does not change the fact that you yanked him from beyond in a way that removes his freewill.
if you read the section on binding outsiders
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/outsider-categories
you'll see that several of the listed outsiders are okay with having planar binding being cast to summon them, provided certain conditions are met.
Well played. ;-)
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Does it matter what they think about the binding? No. They are natural forces of the universe, like fire, water, or wood.
Do we enslave fire, water, or wood? No. You can't. Like outsiders, they have no souls and are simply tools to be used.
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if you read the section on binding outsiders
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/outsider-categories
you'll see that several of the listed outsiders are okay with having planar binding being cast to summon them, provided certain conditions are met.
That site also states something that might be relevant for the OP:
"Attempting to treat outsiders as equals and the pact as a mere negotiating tool almost always ends in disaster."
Does it matter what they think about the binding? No. They are natural forces of the universe, like fire, water, or wood.
Do we enslave fire, water, or wood? No. You can't. Like outsiders, they have no souls and are simply tools to be used.
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Lol. +1
Does it matter what they think about the binding? No. They are natural forces of the universe, like fire, water, or wood.
Do we enslave fire, water, or wood? No. You can't. Like outsiders, they have no souls and are simply tools to be used.
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Tah Dah!
Ravingdork wins!
Greg
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But, just to be contrary, I've never seen fire, water, air, or earth with a charisma score, let alone a charisma score above 8.
So I've got this hedge near my house that's hysterical. It has to have a charisma of at least 9.
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But, just to be contrary, I've never seen fire, water, air, or earth with a charisma score, let alone a charisma score above 8.
Obviously then, you have yet to meet Professor Elemental. Be amused.
As I see it, the greater concern is offending the master of the servant, not the servant itself in the case of the Planetar. Planetar's and angels are meant to be servants. It's their entire purpose for being. So are creature's like Azatas and Inevitables.
As a DM, you have to decide if the master they serve would be offended by the use of the creature. If an angel serves a god, then will that god tolerate one of its servants being used in the manner the character is using it in? That's the bigger question.
Whereas if the character were summoning a demon or daemon, the question would be can the creature twist your commands into a means of killing you or screwing you up. For example, if you tell the creature to kill your enemies, will it start unloading on your enemies without regard for your location? For example, dropping an AoE spell where you are to destroy your enemies while killing you at the same time.
This is the type of thing the DM has to figure out when a wizard uses True Name. The wizard can force the creature to do his bidding, period. The creature can't resist. It can only work against you indirectly and in the case of creature's with masters, the master aka God, Archdevil, etc, can decide whether or not it will tolerate the use of the servant.
That's your call as a DM.
I'd be careful in being too limiting. It is a class ability. But then again, I also wouldn't let a Planetar be used for common butchering of dungeons and accumulation of treasure and power. The deity it served would be unhappy to see its servant used in such a fashion.
Whereas a demon would be free game. You'd just have to be on your toes in keeping track of it or it will make some kind of deal to get you killed.
So it depends on the creature. And you have to think about who the creature serves and if the master approves of a servant being used in a particular fashion.