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Do these two feats stack? Ie, do they grant two Attacks of Opportunity (one of which must be unarmed)?
Whenever an opponent falls prone adjacent to you, that opponent provokes an attack of opportunity from you. This attack must be an unarmed strike.
Whenever you successfully trip an opponent, that opponent provokes attacks of opportunity.
I ask because on of my players want to play a trip monkey, and I feel they might be a bit over the top together. (We assume, of course, that the character has Combat Reflexes.)
Do these two feats stack? Ie, do they grant two Attacks of Opportunity (one of which must be unarmed)?
Whenever an opponent falls prone adjacent to you, that opponent provokes an attack of opportunity from you. This attack must be an unarmed strike.Whenever you successfully trip an opponent, that opponent provokes attacks of opportunity.I ask because on of my players want to play a trip monkey, and I feel they might be a bit over the top together. (We assume, of course, that the character has Combat Reflexes.)
Vicious Stomp and Greater Trip have two different triggers. Therefore, they provoke AoOs separately and, yes, they would stack.
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To me the trigger appear to be exactly the same. Only the phrasing is different.
Vicious Stomp]
Whenever an opponent falls prone adjacent to you, that opponent provokes an attack of opportunity from you. This attack must be an unarmed strike.
Greater Trip
Whenever you successfully trip an opponent, that opponent provokes attacks of opportunity.
Trip: If your attack exceeds the target's CMD, (i.e. is successful) the target is knocked prone.
To me the trigger appear to be exactly the same. Only the phrasing is different.
Vicious Stomp]
Whenever an opponent falls prone adjacent to you, that opponent provokes an attack of opportunity from you. This attack must be an unarmed strike.Greater Trip
Whenever you successfully trip an opponent, that opponent provokes attacks of opportunity.Trip: If your attack exceeds the target's CMD, (i.e. is successful) the target is knocked prone.
Tripping causes the target to fall prone. (Greater Trip and Vicious Stomp both trigger).
You can fall prone from effects OTHER than tripping. (Vicious Stomp is still triggered).
Its pretty obvious the trigger conditions are different.
To me the trigger appear to be exactly the same. Only the phrasing is different.
Vicious Stomp]
Whenever an opponent falls prone adjacent to you, that opponent provokes an attack of opportunity from you. This attack must be an unarmed strike.Greater Trip
Whenever you successfully trip an opponent, that opponent provokes attacks of opportunity.Trip: If your attack exceeds the target's CMD, (i.e. is successful) the target is knocked prone.
Greater Trip causes the target to provoke because you succeeded at the combat maneuver, not because they are knocked prone. Vicious Stomp triggers because of the prone. Technically, the GT attack is prior to the resolution of falling prone. Vicious Stomp is after.
Greater Trip causes the target to provoke because you succeeded at the combat maneuver, not because they are knocked prone. Vicious Stomp triggers because of the prone. Technically, the GT attack is prior to the resolution of falling prone. Vicious Stomp is after.To me the trigger appear to be exactly the same. Only the phrasing is different.
Vicious Stomp]
Whenever an opponent falls prone adjacent to you, that opponent provokes an attack of opportunity from you. This attack must be an unarmed strike.Greater Trip
Whenever you successfully trip an opponent, that opponent provokes attacks of opportunity.Trip: If your attack exceeds the target's CMD, (i.e. is successful) the target is knocked prone.
I agree with this reading, but it leads to a subquestion for clarity.
Attacker A performs a greater trip enhanced maneuver and succeeds. This attacker has a HOMEBREW feat Sudden Awesome Blow or another ability to re-position the opponent to place them adjacent to attacker B who has Vicious Stomp. Attacker B then gets the AoO for them being prone? That is the way that should play out correct?
Attacker A performs a greater trip enhanced maneuver and succeeds. This attacker has a HOMEBREW feat Sudden Awesome Blow or another ability to re-position the opponent to place them adjacent to attacker B who has Vicious Stomp. Attacker B then gets the AoO for them being prone? That is the way that should play out correct?
Vicious stomp is not particular on the cirumstances. If a target is adjacent to you and not-prone, then becomes prone, you get an AOO.
Greater Trip causes the target to provoke because you succeeded at the combat maneuver, not because they are knocked prone. Vicious Stomp triggers because of the prone. Technically, the GT attack is prior to the resolution of falling prone. Vicious Stomp is after.To me the trigger appear to be exactly the same. Only the phrasing is different.
Vicious Stomp]
Whenever an opponent falls prone adjacent to you, that opponent provokes an attack of opportunity from you. This attack must be an unarmed strike.Greater Trip
Whenever you successfully trip an opponent, that opponent provokes attacks of opportunity.Trip: If your attack exceeds the target's CMD, (i.e. is successful) the target is knocked prone.
I agree with this reading, but it leads to a subquestion for clarity.
Attacker A performs a greater trip enhanced maneuver and succeeds. This attacker has a HOMEBREW feat Sudden Awesome Blow or another ability to re-position the opponent to place them adjacent to attacker B who has Vicious Stomp. Attacker B then gets the AoO for them being prone? That is the way that should play out correct?
Depends on how said homebrew feat is worded. If it's based on any AoO, sure. If it's based on becoming prone, no.
I think the existing official feats lead to more than enough shenanigans with this, though. :-p
edit: Also, isn't there already a feat for a Reposition check on a successful Trip? Improved Ki Throw or some such nonsense? I feel like this might actually occur at some point in core.
edit: Also, isn't there already a feat for a Reposition check on a successful Trip? Improved Ki Throw or some such nonsense? I feel like this might actually occur at some point in core.
I want to say that there is but cannot remember if I am thinking about a 3.5 feat or one in PF.
Visually I just liked the idea of 2 ogres tripping and punting a PC to another one who stomps all over him.
edit: Also, isn't there already a feat for a Reposition check on a successful Trip? Improved Ki Throw or some such nonsense? I feel like this might actually occur at some point in core.I want to say that there is but cannot remember if I am thinking about a 3.5 feat or one in PF.
Visually I just liked the idea of 2 ogres tripping and punting a PC to another one who stomps all over him.
Ki Throw, APG. Pg 164.
Improved Ki Throw lets you throw them at another opponent, which can knock THAT opponent prone as well as move the secondary opponent back a square.
The restriction is that it must be a square you threaten.