Now leaving out my 3.0 to present question Why is the spear 2 handed?
Is their a way to build a spear and shield fighter? Not a half spear and shield, but a spear and shield, like a Hoplite, or of numerous other historical combatants? The spear was a primary weapon throughout history,and it certianly was not normally used with a shield. Many troops actually used long spears and shields.
Is there a feat I am missing? or some other way to do this?
There is a fighter archetype (Spear fighter? Phalanx fighter? something like that) that lets him use a spear one handed with a shield.
Really, do you know what book this is in?There is a fighter archetype (Spear fighter? Phalanx fighter? something like that) that lets him use a spear one handed with a shield.Now leaving out my 3.0 to present question Why is the spear 2 handed?
Is their a way to build a spear and shield fighter? Not a half spear and shield, but a spear and shield, like a Hoplite, or of numerous other historical combatants? The spear was a primary weapon throughout history,and it certianly was not normally used with a shield. Many troops actually used long spears and shields.
Is there a feat I am missing? or some other way to do this?
APG.
Perhaps he can use a Small Spear one handed instead of that?
Shortspear
Really, do you know what book this is in?
You are looking for Phalanx Soldier Fighter archetype in Advanced Player's Guide.
A few observations:
1. Historical combatants that used Longspears in one hand usually formed a wall of troops and did not really maneuver and fight independently. I don't really mind this restriction.
EDIT:
Hmmm.. I never noticed the normal spear is two handed. I now see that you're refering to the Spear (not longspear), this is a bit strange to me as well.
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Perhaps the Spear can have a Bastard Sword like Mechanic?
Simple Proficiency:
Spear is Two Handed
Martial Proficiency:
Can use a Spear as a One Handed weapon
This has bothered me for a long time as well, but I just never questioned it. I think the houserule for making it a one-handed martial weapon is really good. Stolen.
ShortspearWhy? what is short about an 8 ft spear like a footman would have use all during the Middle ages?
Nothing.
You werent specific in the OP.Phalanx Fighter, then.
ShortspearWhy? what is short about an 8 ft spear like a footman would have use all during the Middle ages?
Actually in PF the Shortspear is 3ft, the Spear is 5ft and the Longspear is 8ft.
A hoplite spear would be something around 14ft.
This has bothered me for a long time as well, but I just never questioned it. I think the houserule for making it a one-handed martial weapon is really good. Stolen.
Glad you like it, seemed like a natural fit because the spear is an adaptable, widely-used weapon that can be wielded very differently if you're trained in a certain manner.
If you want a 1-handed spear will a re-flavored trident work? That's what I do when I want a shield and spear fighting character.
If you want a 1-handed spear will a re-flavored trident work? That's what I do when I want a shield and spear fighting character.
I agree. Pity the crit modifier is weaker than the normal spear - with the axe and sword being x3 and 19-20 with the same damage, you'd expect the trident to have a 20/x3 weapon. Then again, that's for your DM to decide, but I doubt it would break the game.
Phalanx Soldier is a great option, because using a polearm or spear 1 handed and a tower shield is great way to fight. Now I was lucky with my guy because my GM also allowed one Special. This could be a (feat+trait, a class ability, etc) and I choose the Polearm Master's (same book the APG) to get first level ability PoleFighting which allows player to take -4 penalty immediate action to attack to use weapon as nonreach. with the negative reducing by 1 every 4 levels past 2nd. It was hard to choose between the 2 alternate class types, and I am glad my GM was able to give option.
I think the answer is it's apples and oranges. It's an individual combat system vs. a mass combat system - phalanx formation, massed pike, etc. are all military formations that function only as a unit.
How effective is a 5 foot spear weilded in one hand as opposed to two, in single combat, actually? Two hands seems more effective, same as a quarterstaff. Could be in game terms it's equivelent to using it as an improvised shortspear; -4 to hit.
Two handed spears never made any sense to me either, either from a historical standpoint or a game mechanics one. Spears have always been 1 handed weapons, since the times of ancient Egyptians 10,000 years ago up until the late 19th century Native Americans. Any spear typically wielded in two hands was more of a pike, not a true spear. Plus there is no 1 handed martial 1d8 piercing x3 critical weapon. Nor is there a simple one. But the battle axe more or less proves it's not a broke combination to have 1d8 damage and x3 critical in a one handed martial weapon. Simple weapons try to stay away from x3 criticals to give martial weapons more damage, which is understandable.
Perhaps the Spear can have a Bastard Sword like Mechanic?
Simple Proficiency:
Spear is Two HandedMartial Proficiency:
Can use a Spear as a One Handed weapon
So I would take this one step further.
The spear is ALWAYS a 1 handed weapon, additionally:
Simple Proficiency:
Spear is x2 critical
Martial Proficiency:
Spear is x3 critical
I've been wishing this would make it into official rules since the first time I opened a 3.0 PHB.
I can't imagine using a 5 foot spear 2handed though, that's a tiny little thrusting weapon.
I can, and have. It works far better two-handed.
Beats me.
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