Ok I have been going over the change to Forge Ring in Pathfinder Core book and on the website http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/item-creation-feats/forge-ring-item-creation- --final which have Forge Ring now caster level 7 to make. However I notice that they did not change the caster level requirments of the rings themselves. So my question is, would it be unreasonable to request that the caster level be dropped on rings to indicate the new requirement for feat?. so example: Ring of Wizardry1 will be Caster level 6 not 11 as it is (old forge ring 12 - new forge ring 7 = 5 level drop) so (all caster level requirments drop by 5 to a minimum of 1). The prices will not change. Just the caster level to make. Is this unreasonable to request this to a GM?.
CConsideringthe caster level is integral to the pricing, yes it would be unreasonable. Especially since you can make an item at a higher caster level, it just increases the dc.
And the change in the feat prereq doesn't change the level of the spells needed to craft the specific ring.
CConsideringthe caster level is integral to the pricing, yes it would be unreasonable. Especially since you can make an item at a higher caster level, it just increases the dc.
And the change in the feat prereq doesn't change the level of the spells needed to craft the specific ring.
Now im going with the idea that You still must meet all other requirements like spells so would need the level neccesarry to cast the spells (unless you add +5 to dc or pay to have spell cast from someone else). however I do not see how caster level plays into the cost of the item. when you look at the magic item creation rules it only indicates that creating rings is hard to come up with price and to use the Table: Estimating Magic Item Gold Piece Values to come up with costs of rings not listed in the magic items section for rings. So changing the Caster level I dont think would change any prices. All this will do is allow my Wizard to use his Forge Ring Feat when he gets it. And not have a feat that takes 5 levels before I can use it.
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Unless explicitly called out as a requirement, the CL is NOT a requirement, it is only a way to set a DC for crafting (along with the power of the item's aura).
Even if it is explicitly called out as a requirement (as it is for weapons and armor), you can bypass it by increasing the DC by +5.
In other words, you can craft that CL11 ring at level 7, it just means that the DC to craft is 16. Since you can take 10, this is still extremely easy to craft without any need to modify the item being crafted. If you're missing the spell it becomes DC21, which is still easily within take-10 range for a wizard.
It's still necessary for spell to be available (through the crafter, another magic item, or another spellcaster) during item creation, right? Or can that be bypassed by increasing the DC by 5 too?
It's still necessary for spell to be available (through the crafter, another magic item, or another spellcaster) during item creation, right? Or can that be bypassed by increasing the DC by 5 too?
Depends on what you are crafting.
Scrolls, wands, potions, and staves you cannot bypass the spell requirements. On everything else, you can.
It's still necessary for spell to be available (through the crafter, another magic item, or another spellcaster) during item creation, right? Or can that be bypassed by increasing the DC by 5 too?Depends on what you are crafting.
Scrolls, wands, potions, and staves you cannot bypass the spell requirements. On everything else, you can.
Well the wizard in my party was hoping to craft a Handy Haversack at level 5 when he picks up Craft Wondrous Item feat; so the CL is too low (supposed to be CL 9) and lacking the level 5 spell secret chest. Would the DC merely be upped by 10 or would it not be possible to craft it just yet because there's two prereqs not met?
FAQ Pearl of Power So DC would only be increased by 5 for not knowing the spell.
Handy Haversack "Construction Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, secret chest; Cost 1,000 gp"
DC=5 (Base for any item) + 9 (Base CL) + 5 (Not knowing Spell) = 19
FAQ Pearl of Power So DC would only be increased by 5 for not knowing the spell.
Handy Haversack "Construction Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, secret chest; Cost 1,000 gp"
DC=5 (Base for any item) + 9 (Base CL) + 5 (Not knowing Spell) = 19
Thanks!