Does Monk AC Bonus and Duelist Canny Defense stack?


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Just curious since they type of bonus these two abilities grant doesn't appear to be named.

So does that mean a Monk/Duelist would add it's Dex, Int AND Wis bonuses to his AC?


No one's able to clarify this one?

Grand Lodge

As they are separate sources, yes, they do stack.


Yes but the Int will be a slow increase as its Int or class level, whichever is lower of the canny defence ability

Dark Archive

Yes, and still not keep up with the fighter :).


also itll be at least 8th level before you can even get into the class (this is going 1 level monk 6 levels full BAB class) or level 9 if your a full monk


Since Monk/Duelist allows very high AC builds, it's an easy trap for those who overestimate AC. The best defense is offense. (oh and you're probably quite MAD - I assume that you are a melee which means you need EVERY stat except CHA high in this build - just go for an ironclad board fighter if you want AC)(if you really want defense, get Mirror Image - give that fighter UMD for instance)


brother ehhnnzioh wrote:
also itll be at least 8th level before you can even get into the class (this is going 1 level monk 6 levels full BAB class) or level 9 if your a full monk

Well, I was actually thinking of taking one level of Monk and then the Kensai Magus archetype. Which has the Duelist's Canny Defense.

Ksorkrax wrote:
you're probably quite MAD...give that fighter UMD for instance)

I don't know what those acronyms mean.

Silver Crusade

I think MAD at one point in time meant Mothers against Dungeons and Dragons, or was it Drunk Driving?

well in this context MAD means Multiple Ability score Dependency.

UMD I think means Use Magical Device.


ElyasRavenwood wrote:

I think MAD at one point in time meant Mothers against Dungeons and Dragons, or was it Drunk Driving?

well in this context MAD means Multiple Ability score Dependency.

UMD I think means Use Magical Device.

Ah, thank you.

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The important thing to remember with this combo is that once you establish it, you can just go around fighting naked and still be at full power.

Full-powered nudity FTW.


Jiggy wrote:
The important thing to remember with this combo is that once you establish it, you can just go around fighting naked and still be at full power.

Oh I know! Believe me.

Dark Archive

DarthEnder wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
The important thing to remember with this combo is that once you establish it, you can just go around fighting naked and still be at full power.
Oh I know! Believe me.

Yeah so how did you plan on keeping up your AC?? I posted this build a few days ago and didnt get alot of feedback on keeping the AC up so I was wondering if you had an idea?? Do you lose anything for wearing light armor with this build as long as you manage to pick up a proficiency with it???


KrythePhreak wrote:


Yeah so how did you plan on keeping up your AC?? I posted this build a few days ago and didnt get alot of feedback on keeping the AC up so I was wondering if you had an idea?? Do you lose anything for wearing light armor with this build as long as you manage to pick up a proficiency with it???

You wear magic items like other people.

AC = 10 + Ref Bonus + Int Bonus + Wis Bonus + Bracers of Armor + Ring of Protection + Amulet of Natural Armor + Defender Weapon = Some huge number

Dark Archive

DarthEnder wrote:
KrythePhreak wrote:


Yeah so how did you plan on keeping up your AC?? I posted this build a few days ago and didnt get alot of feedback on keeping the AC up so I was wondering if you had an idea?? Do you lose anything for wearing light armor with this build as long as you manage to pick up a proficiency with it???

You wear magic items like other people.

AC = 10 + Ref Bonus + Int Bonus + Wis Bonus + Bracers of Armor + Ring of Protection + Amulet of Natural Armor + Defender Weapon = Some huge number

I cant believe I ever forgot about bracers of armor and I actually never thought of Defending so kudos to you for that one...also if you really cared about spending 18k for 2 more AC you can invest in monks robe and dusty rose ioun stone plus you can use that Stunning Fist one more time per day =D


KrythePhreak wrote:
also if you really cared about spending 18k for 2 more AC you can invest in monks robe and dusty rose ioun stone plus you can use that Stunning Fist one more time per day =D

If you're completely OCD about it also, you also have feats like Dodge and Two-weapon Defense. A character I made that does this uses a rapier with a sharpened combat scabbard in his offhand. The scabbard is a Defender.

Dark Archive

DarthEnder wrote:
KrythePhreak wrote:
also if you really cared about spending 18k for 2 more AC you can invest in monks robe and dusty rose ioun stone plus you can use that Stunning Fist one more time per day =D
If you're completely OCD about it also, you also have feats like Dodge and Two-weapon Defense. A character I made that does this uses a rapier with a sharpened combat scabbard in his offhand. The scabbard is a Defender.

I took Dodge as Monk feat and forgot to even add it to the AC jeez and I have always loved the concept of using the scabbard as a weapon itself, just can never get approval to actually do it from a GM


KrythePhreak wrote:


I took Dodge as Monk feat and forgot to even add it to the AC jeez and I have always loved the concept of using the scabbard as a weapon itself, just can never get approval to actually do it from a GM

It's in the Pathfinder Companion: Adventurer's Armory if you have access to it.

Same stats as a Rapier except its Slashing instead of Piercing.

Not that it matters since I only really use it for the AC it gives me.

Dark Archive

DarthEnder wrote:
KrythePhreak wrote:


I took Dodge as Monk feat and forgot to even add it to the AC jeez and I have always loved the concept of using the scabbard as a weapon itself, just can never get approval to actually do it from a GM

It's in the Pathfinder Companion: Adventurer's Armory if you have access to it.

Same stats as a Rapier except its Slashing instead of Piercing.

Not that it matters since I only really use it for the AC it gives me.

Ill have to check it out, I think one of the guys in the group has it. too bad a magus couldn't use it but oh well. Im all about having ridiculous AC with tons of flavor

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