Feat Respec


Rules Questions


If I cast wish or miracle, Can I choose to learn a new feat in place of one I already know?

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Since that's not on the normal list of things Wish can do, it would be up to your DM. I would probably allow it since it doesn't give you more, it just increases utilization.


It's really up to the GM, but remember that characters don't talk about feats, so trying to phrase this wish in-character might be hard. Especially if you're trying to keep the wish-granted from twisting it.


Bobson wrote:
It's really up to the GM, but remember that characters don't talk about feats, so trying to phrase this wish in-character might be hard. Especially if you're trying to keep the wish-granted from twisting it.

"I wish I had mastery of [insert something here] at the sole expense of [insert something here]."

Example: "I wish I had mastery of unarmed combat (read: Improved Unarmed Strike) at the sole expense of my prowess at running (read: Run)."

It's true, there could still be a substantial amount of twisting if the GM really felt like it (but that's ALWAYS true, as there is no perfect wish), but there are a few things going for it, if only that you're specifically not trying to cheese the system too horribly. Honestly, this is one of the most tame uses of Wish I've heard of.


If you are using a wish, you should not even have to give anything up. Besides, the giving something up part is where things could easily be twisted and you get screwed over. Just look at the example given in the post above mine: "I wish I had mastery of unarmed combat (read: Improved Unarmed Strike) at the sole expense of my prowess at running (read: Run)." If that was asked of me as a GM, you may get the fighting ability without a twist, but you would now be so clumsy with your feet that any movement above normal walking speed would cause you to trip and stumble and have to make Dex checks to avoid falling down, etc.

Besides, aren't there certain classes that let you swap out feats at certain levels?


Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
If you are using a wish, you should not even have to give anything up. Besides, the giving something up part is where things could easily be twisted and you get screwed over. Just look at the example given in the post above mine: "I wish I had mastery of unarmed combat (read: Improved Unarmed Strike) at the sole expense of my prowess at running (read: Run)." If that was asked of me as a GM, you may get the fighting ability without a twist, but you would now be so clumsy with your feet that any movement above normal walking speed would cause you to trip and stumble and have to make Dex checks to avoid falling down, etc.

Gog damnit. Why do people keep GMing like this?

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Umbral Reaver wrote:
Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
If you are using a wish, you should not even have to give anything up. Besides, the giving something up part is where things could easily be twisted and you get screwed over. Just look at the example given in the post above mine: "I wish I had mastery of unarmed combat (read: Improved Unarmed Strike) at the sole expense of my prowess at running (read: Run)." If that was asked of me as a GM, you may get the fighting ability without a twist, but you would now be so clumsy with your feet that any movement above normal walking speed would cause you to trip and stumble and have to make Dex checks to avoid falling down, etc.
Gog damnit. Why do people keep GMing like this?

Because they're douchebags. That's about the only explanation I can think of.

With a 25k gp investment I would expect that any wish they want to make that is less useful than 25k gp would work just as they wanted. At 25k gp I might even let them get a free feat (that has no feats as pre-requisites).


Hey, it also depends on where you are getting the wish from. The OP did not specify. If you can cast the spell yourself or get it from someone trusted, then sure, you are very unlikely to get screwed over. But if you are getting it from a more classic source, like a genie, then expect things to be twisted unless you are very, very specific. After all, part of their job description is to screw over anyone they grant a wish.


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You're emulating a Fighter class ability, with a little extra versatility. I'd go for it. Just grant a feat with no compensating cost? Maybe, but highly unlikely.


'Corrupt-a-wish' DMs wrote:
I'm going to massively penalize you for using a class ability and expending significant personal resources.

No, this is wrong.

When a wizard casts Wish, he's using his own personal ability to alter reality to his liking. No outside force has any part in this transaction (save the DM, but he's a referee, not an opponent).

A cleric casting miracle is having his deity rewrite reality, so there's potential for misunderstandings there, but it really depends on the deity (Cayden Cailean might screw up just because he drank too much, for example).

Asking for a wish from a djinni or similar, however, is giving your DM carte blanche to screw with you.

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