With a tiger you get bite, claw, claw, rake, rake
I was wondering if on my first attack I bite and succeed on my grab, do I still get my two claw attacks or do I skip straight to the rakes?
With a tiger you get bite, claw, claw, rake, rake
I was wondering if on my first attack I bite and succeed on my grab, do I still get my two claw attacks or do I skip straight to the rakes?
You only get the rakes if you START the turn having the enemy grappled. If you start not grappled, you get claw/claw/bite. If any of them hits, you get a free grapple check to grab them. If you grab with the bite, then you are grappling with your mouth. This does not interfere with your claws. Similarly, if you grab with a claw, this doesn't interfere with the other claw or the bite.
If you start the turn having them grappled, then you get your 2 rakes as free attacks. You also need to make a standard action to maintain the grapple. As part of that, you can move the opponent, pin the opponent, or deal damage equal to a natural attack.
EDIT: You can also tie them up, but then again... you are a tiger, so that will probably not go too well.
With a tiger you get bite, claw, claw, rake, rake
I was wondering if on my first attack I bite and succeed on my grab, do I still get my two claw attacks or do I skip straight to the rakes?
I usually do the ability that initiates the grab last anyways when rolling multiple attacks but it is more a book keeping thing for me I guess. That way all the attacks go through and the grapple is up for the next round. Once the grapple is initiated by you you are stuck with the action economy issue (std to maintain w/o feats). However the following round when grappled you get the rake attacks and can make a claw attack for the cost of maintaining the grapple (natural attack damage) or release as a free action and do it all again (full attack action, claw claw bite) and hope you get the grapple back.
I usually do the ability that initiates the grab last anyways when rolling multiple attacks but it is more a book keeping thing for me I guess.With a tiger you get bite, claw, claw, rake, rake
I was wondering if on my first attack I bite and succeed on my grab, do I still get my two claw attacks or do I skip straight to the rakes?
Tigers grab on all 3 nat attacks (:
Tigers grab on all 3 nat attacks (:I usually do the ability that initiates the grab last anyways when rolling multiple attacks but it is more a book keeping thing for me I guess.With a tiger you get bite, claw, claw, rake, rake
I was wondering if on my first attack I bite and succeed on my grab, do I still get my two claw attacks or do I skip straight to the rakes?
Been playing with my eidolon too long lol. If that's the case you don't need to make the check on an attack if you don't want to, though I don't think it would make a difference once you declare your doing a full attack action. I think it would be okay to roll all attacks first and then figure out the free grabs after those resolve.
Been playing with my eidolon too long lol. If that's the case you don't need to make the check on an attack if you don't want to, though I don't think it would make a difference once you declare your doing a full attack action. I think it would be okay to roll all attacks first and then figure out the free grabs after those resolve.Tigers grab on all 3 nat attacks (:I usually do the ability that initiates the grab last anyways when rolling multiple attacks but it is more a book keeping thing for me I guess.With a tiger you get bite, claw, claw, rake, rake
I was wondering if on my first attack I bite and succeed on my grab, do I still get my two claw attacks or do I skip straight to the rakes?
Doesn't matter anyways. If you successfully grab, then you've grappled with the limb used to initiate the attack. It won't affect your other natural attacks at all.
You only get the rakes if you START the turn having the enemy grappled. If you start not grappled, you get claw/claw/bite.
That is only partial true.
You also get your rake attacks if you pounce.
You only get the rakes if you START the turn having the enemy grappled. If you start not grappled, you get claw/claw/bite.
That is only partial true.
You also get your rake attacks if you pounce.
Forgot about that point. Nice catch.
Doesn't matter anyways. If you successfully grab, then you've grappled with the limb used to initiate the attack. It won't affect your other natural attacks at all.
. Given this is "teh internetz" there is always the possibility that someone might argue once you attack you need to make the choice to initiate the grab, and once grappling things change due to the grapple condition. Sometimes order of effect makes a difference. For instance if you grapple on the initial attack, you gain the grappled condition and I believe technically you should be taking a penalty on attacks from that point on (2 remaining attacks), a -2 if memory serves me right.
. Given this is "teh internetz" there is always the possibility that someone might argue once you attack you need to make the choice to initiate the grab, and once grappling things change due to the grapple condition. Sometimes order of effect makes a difference. For instance if you grapple on the initial attack, you gain the grappled condition and I believe technically you should be taking a penalty on attacks from that point on (2 remaining attacks), a -2 if memory serves me right.
Doesn't matter anyways. If you successfully grab, then you've grappled with the limb used to initiate the attack. It won't affect your other natural attacks at all.
Yeah, but your target also takes penalties for being grappled and they balance each other out. Generally speaking, though, order does matter. In this instance it happens not to.
EDIT: although I suppose it would if a later attack happened to provoke an AoO from someone other than the target of your grapple, so you should probably follow the order anyways.