Unconscious is Helpless but Prone Negates AC Bonus?

[another_mage]

Relevant Rules: Helpless, Prone, Unconscious

The Ranger in my game wanted to use a ranged attack against an Ogre who had fallen unconscious (HP below 0); when considering the modifiers, it looked like this:

Unconscious condition implies Helpless condition
Helpless condition: -1 AC from Dex (Ogre) becomes -5 AC from Dex; no special bonus applied to ranged attacked
Prone: +4 AC against ranged attacks

So the Ogre only had a -1 AC penalty for being an unmoving target.

When Unconscious (Helpless), do we ignore the Prone condition for calculating this modifier?

[deinol]

I would use both modifiers. It is hard to hit someone flat on the ground fron range. Of course, runnning up to him, you can't miss.

[Greycloak of Bowness]

I'd agree with the no net bonus/penalty interpretation at range but I'd give an adjacent ranged attacker the same +4 that a melee attacker gets.

[Midnight_Angel]

Hmm... I think I recall a rule of 'adjacent ranged attack gets the same +4' (which we house-changed into 'ranged attacks within your natural melee reach get the bonus') ... but it's not in the PRD, nor the d20 SRD.

A rule from Iron Kingdoms, possibly?