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According to charge you have to go to the closest square, but to ride-by-attak you go by them - this violates the requirement for the nearest square.
But then when you have a reach weapon you can be further away?
Move to A, attack then continue though your opponent's square
Move to B, attack then continue past your opponent
Move to C, attack then continue past your opponent away from them
Move to D, attack using Lunge then continue past your opponent further away from them
Are C and D legal?
And what about Lunge?
Charge Lane D is doing a ride-by-attack into the furthest square.
Is D legal?
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According to charge you have to go to the closest square, but to ride-by-attak you go by them - this violates the requirement for the nearest square.
But then when you have a reach weapon you can be further away?
Maybe you can charge to the closest square from which you can make your ride-by attack.
C and D are not legal, as neither is the closest square.
The raw for charging and Ride by attack was acknowledged to be FUBAR by the devs.
With a lance as long as he's moving in a strait line and makes an attack with it it should be rai legal.
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When using Ride-by Attack with a Reach weapon, which of the following charge lanes are legal?
Charge Lanes A,B,C, and D
Move to A, attack then continue though your opponent's square
Move to B, attack then continue past your opponent
Move to C, attack then continue past your opponent away from them
Move to D, attack using Lunge then continue past your opponent further away from themThat's the type of complicated question that's best served by posting on the rules boards and getting lots of folks to FAQ it.
How I'd run it, though: I'd make you choose which of your mount's squares you're in for the purposes of determining your reach for that particular charge. I'd then figure your reach normally from that square, and treat the charge identically to how I would treat it if you were making a spring attack.
Ok guys I need your help. Please FAQ the original post above and we'll be able to answer this question.
Paizo Employee Sean K Reynolds (Developer), Sun, Oct 17, 2010, 01:41 PM
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Ravingdork wrote:
Sean, the very definition of charging (both as a gaming term and as a real world term) requires that you be moving directly towards your enemy.
Well, that's stupid. (And not how we did it in 3.0. Another annoying 3.5 change, I guess.)
If I charge someone, I should be able to charge directly at them, or obliquely. If I charge and cut a guy as I run by, that should still be valid... my momentum applies to the weapon whether it's in front of me or to my side.
And the 3.5 ruling (as people have pointed out) basically makes it impossible to use RBA because you'd have to move *through* your target. Which means it should be called Ride-Through attack.
Noting for personal houserule and errata-lobbying.
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderR PG/rules/mountsWithAttacksAndTheRideByAttackFeat&page=2&source=sear ch#51
Nice find! So if you do RAW only A is allowed. But RAI B, C, and D (with Lunge), should be allowed.
Now everyone, please FAQ the original post in this thread and hopefully it'll be FAQ'd and this will all be cleared up.
Nice find! So if you do RAW only A is allowed. But RAI B, C, and D (with Lunge), should be allowed.
Now everyone, please FAQ the original post in this thread and hopefully it'll be FAQ'd and this will all be cleared up.
Right. and with A you'd have to stop at the enemy, because ride by attack doesn't give you any ability to go THROUGH enemies. Making RBA only useful for getting your mount to make one attack.
Whats even stranger is that RBA doesn't work when your enemy is strait in front of you, but if he was one step to the left or the right it would work fine.
Nice find! So if you do RAW only A is allowed. But RAI B, C, and D (with Lunge), should be allowed.
Now everyone, please FAQ the original post in this thread and hopefully it'll be FAQ'd and this will all be cleared up.
Actually, lane B is fine too by RAW, since the square you attack from is tied for being the closest to you. Charge doesn't say you have to move directly toward the enemy, just that you have to move in a straight line and you must attack the enemy while in the closest square from which you can attack.
Arguing outside the RAW, I'd say reach doesn't work - see, you charge with a high speed. If you extend your spear or whatever to your side, the lever action of the impact would throw you right of your horse - that's why a lance faces forward. Only exception are swings from ride-by weapons like scimitars or war-hammers, I'd allow lane B for that.
As for lunge, that's a body movement, I cannot imagine how one does that while being mounted
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Actually, lane B is fine too by RAW, since the square you attack from is tied for being the closest to you. Charge doesn't say you have to move directly toward the enemy, just that you have to move in a straight line and you must attack the enemy while in the closest square from which you can attack.
Charge does indeed say you have to move directly toward your target.
Movement During a Charge: You must move before your attack, not after. You must move at least 10 feet (2 squares) and may move up to double your speed directly toward the designated opponent.
Charge does indeed say you have to move directly toward your target.Movement During a Charge: You must move before your attack, not after. You must move at least 10 feet (2 squares) and may move up to double your speed directly toward the designated opponent.
Ah, I guess I missed that. I'd say ride-by attack is in serious need of fixing, then.
Arguing outside the RAW, I'd say reach doesn't work - see, you charge with a high speed. If you extend your spear or whatever to your side, the lever action of the impact would throw you right of your horse - that's why a lance faces forward. Only exception are swings from ride-by weapons like scimitars or war-hammers, I'd allow lane B for that.
As for lunge, that's a body movement, I cannot imagine how one does that while being mounted
So arguing by "common sense" you would say that the thing the feat was made to emmulate, knights jousting past someone outside of the reach of their weapon, doesn't work?