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Why/when would I be considered flat-footed for flying? The sentence seems superfluous and unnecessary to me.
Surprise round, maybe? Though it doesn't make any sense to me that it would work that way. Maybe it was pointed out so people didn't assume it was like balancing with acrobatics or climbing, but that feels unneccessary. Weird.
As i have seen in several other threads if that wasnt there it would be a constant back and forth about wether or not you were flat-footed so the dev's pointed it out.
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Why/when would I be considered flat-footed for flying? The sentence seems superfluous and unnecessary to me.
I certainly found that added bit helpful. I'm glad that they put stuff like that in, a tich 'more' is usually better than not enough... the book is awesome and really clarifies the rules for those just starting out.
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Well actually, now I'm wondering does that mean:
a) Flying itself does not make you flat-footed, but other effects that cause flat-footness still do
b) if you fly you can't get flat-footed. Ever.
I would say it's b) because there's not really any indication that flying would cause FF in the first place, so why else mention it?
Its A just being in the air doesnt give you uncanny dodge if your just floating around staring at the sun and a hidden archer shoots at you you dont know its coming.
Its A just being in the air doesnt give you uncanny dodge if your just floating around staring at the sun and a hidden archer shoots at you you dont know its coming.
Well the argument here could be that while you're hovering in the air you're not holding still, your flapping your wings and all that, so aiming at your liver for sneak attack damage is not possible.
Why should that sentence be there otherwise? Why would you be considered flat-footed just for flying (not in situations where you're FF anyway, likre surprise round, but always)?
To clarify over balancing and climbing both of which are skill checks that make you flatfooted. Also your considered in combat to be moving around in your square as well and you can be flatfooted. Remeber flat footed only means you cant react tothe attack not how hard it is to hit you.
Well actually, now I'm wondering does that mean:
a) Flying itself does not make you flat-footed, but other effects that cause flat-footness still do
b) if you fly you can't get flat-footed. Ever.
I would say it's b) because there's not really any indication that flying would cause FF in the first place, so why else mention it?
I have to agree, rules-as-written grants you uncanny dodge of a sort. I certainly don't think that was the developers intent, but that is what they wrote.
Instead of "You are not considered flat-footed while flying," I think they meant "You are not automatically considered flat-footed while flying."
To clarify over balancing and climbing both of which are skill checks that make you flatfooted. Also your considered in combat to be moving around in your square as well and you can be flatfooted. Remeber flat footed only means you cant react tothe attack not how hard it is to hit you.
Technically, climbing doesn't make you flat-footed either. It makes you lose your Dexterity bonus to AC, which is not the same thing.
Yeah missed the change to that figured they were still the same since thats called flat foot ac.
However this means you can still be sneak attacked and what not its not uncanny dodge since flat-footed only applies to losing your dex at the start of combat.
I like to think of it as a sentence to help those idiots who think that being "flat-footed" actually requires that you be on your feet. I know what your thinking "no one could possibly be that dumb and still have the cognitive capacity to do the basic math required to play the game." but I seriously played with someone who argued that his raptorian (who was high enough level to fly) was not flat-footed even though he had not acted in combat yet, because he was flying, and a rule which has the word "footed" in it must therefor only apply when you are using your feet.
...yeah. Sometimes you need to makes sure everyone is on the same page or they will say something so cataclysmically dumb that it will break your brain for several minutes.
I like to think of it as a sentence to help those idiots who think that being "flat-footed" actually requires that you be on your feet. I know what your thinking "no one could possibly be that dumb and still have the cognitive capacity to do the basic math required to play the game." but I seriously played with someone who argued that his raptorian (who was high enough level to fly) was not flat-footed even though he had not acted in combat yet, because he was flying, and a rule which has the word "footed" in it must therefor only apply when you are using your feet.
I will defer to your opinion of whether is player was actually dumb enough to believe that, but I've seen a lot of "smart" players make obtuse arguments just to get that little extra piece of cheese.
In this case, it looks like the developers took something that should have been clear, i.e. flying doesn't affect whether you're flat-footed or not and completely muddied the rule by adding a "clarification."
It would be nice to get a rules calcification. I believe it was a pun written into the rules and not to be taken seriously.