I would allow it for any class except the summoner because of the Eidolon's power level.
As to taking away the evolution pool, that might work, but I don't know for sure. If I did I would only allow it to count as 3 summoner levels while still denying any evolution pool points from the feat itself.
I would let it work.
Summoner 1 Fighter 3 with 4th level pet or 4 summoner with 4 level pet what the big deal. It only keep at the curve. It dose not make you better than straight Summoner.
I would even go as far leting it be taken over and over again.
I would allow it for any class except the summoner because of the Eidolon's power level.
I'm with wraith on this one.
Greg
I ask then to compair appel to appel.
Summoner level 4 with 4 level pet
vs
Fighter level 3/ Summoner level 1 with boon feat pet level 4
Or
Summoner level 20 with Pet level 20
vs
Summoner level 17/ Fighter 3 with boon feat and pet level 20
* guesing that feat would ony give up to 3 level.
I see no real difference. As long as it dose not make it beter that striaght class version what is the big deal. If you just do not sommoner class I get that.(cause I am not big fan of them at all)but that was not the question.
I see no real difference. As long as it dose not make it beter that striaght class version what is the big deal.
Not quite. The feat should also be more or less balanced with other similar feats, and I think the point the others are trying to make is that a feat that boosts an animal companion is weaker than a feat that boosts an eidolon. So this feat wouldn't be balanced with itself, much less with other feats, if you allowed eidolon progression.
I see no real difference. As long as it dose not make it beter that striaght class version what is the big deal.
Not quite. The feat should also be more or less balanced with other similar feats, and I think the point the others are trying to make is that a feat that boosts an animal companion is weaker than a feat that boosts an eidolon. So this feat wouldn't be balanced with itself, much less with other feats, if you allowed eidolon progression. [/QUOTE
I agree feat should be balanced. And the feat useing Boon animal as the modle dose not beat any of this class feater down. So why should this one. I argee that Eidolon may be stronger than Animal Compaion.
That not the point of this feat. But stay on target of the debate.Summoner level 4 pet level 4
VS
Figher level 3 / Summoner 1 with feat boon Pet level 4
Same net power level.
Do not compare AC vs Eidolon. That not the point of this feat.
As written, doesn't it actually allow a summoner 4 with pet 8?
Meaning the verbiage just says add 4 levels pretty much?
Do not compare AC vs Eidolon. That not the point of this feat.
That IS the point of the thread. OP is asking whether it'd be balanced if you allowed it for more types of buddy. So obviously we have to compare the relative boost in strength provided by each boosted buddy. O_o
It's like... "Extra Bardic Performance gives +6 to a rounds/day ability. Can I apply that to rage?" Clearly, the devs thought that this was balanced, since they made Extra Rage. But if you wanted to apply "Extra 6 rounds/day of ability" to ANYTHING, you'd need to figure out whether it was balanced or not. "Extra Invisible Thief" ? Not quite the same as Extra Bardic Performance. Even though it applies the same boost to a similarly limited ability, it would be much much stronger.
This is why we can (nay, must) ask the question of whether or not "boon eidolon" is balanced with "boon companion"—which IS the question of the thread.
As written, doesn't it actually allow a summoner 4 with pet 8?
Meaning the verbiage just says add 4 levels pretty much?
Boon CompanionP
Source Seekers of Secrets 16Your bond with your animal companion or familiar is unusually close.
Prerequisites: Animal companion or familiar class ability.
Benefit: The abilities of your animal companion or familiar are calculated as though your class were four levels higher, "to a maximum bonus equal to your character level". If you have more than one animal companion or familiar, choose one to receive this benefit. If you lose or dismiss an animal companion or familiar, you may apply this feat to the replacement creature.
Special: You may select this feat more than once. The effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a different animal companion or familiar.
Yes if is Summoner 4 and Fighter 4 then PET level 8
Not Summoner 4 pet level 8
I add "" for the point that makeing to speed reading
As written, doesn't it actually allow a summoner 4 with pet 8?
Meaning the verbiage just says add 4 levels pretty much?Boon CompanionP
Source Seekers of Secrets 16
Your bond with your animal companion or familiar is unusually close.Prerequisites: Animal companion or familiar class ability.
Benefit: The abilities of your animal companion or familiar are calculated as though your class were four levels higher, "to a maximum bonus equal to your character level". If you have more than one animal companion or familiar, choose one to receive this benefit. If you lose or dismiss an animal companion or familiar, you may apply this feat to the replacement creature.
Special: You may select this feat more than once. The effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a different animal companion or familiar.
Yes if is Summoner 4 and Fighter 4 then PET level 8
Not Summoner 4 pet level 8
I add "" for the point that makeing to speed reading
maxiumum bonus of 4. So if he is 4, the bonus is 4 which equals 8. It needs to read maximum level equal to the character level.
Do not compare AC vs Eidolon. That not the point of this feat.That IS the point of the thread. OP is asking whether it'd be balanced if you allowed it for more types of buddy. So obviously we have to compare the relative boost in strength provided by each boosted buddy. O_o
It's like... "Extra Bardic Performance gives +6 to a rounds/day ability. Can I apply that to rage?" Clearly, the devs thought that this was balanced, since they made Extra Rage. But if you wanted to apply "Extra 6 rounds/day of ability" to ANYTHING, you'd need to figure out whether it was balanced or not. "Extra Invisible Thief" ? Not quite the same as Extra Bardic Performance. Even though it applies the same boost to a similarly limited ability, it would be much much stronger.
This is why we can (nay, must) ask the question of whether or not "boon eidolon" is balanced with "boon companion"—which IS the question of the thread.
K then quetion should be how many missed levels can you give boon pet feat for each type of pet, AC, eidolon, familiar.
AC is 4 ...eidion 3? familiar 5?But if does not get get head of the curve should not be that bad.
maxiumum bonus of 4. So if he is 4, the bonus is 4 which equals 8. It needs to read maximum level equal to the character level.As written, doesn't it actually allow a summoner 4 with pet 8?
Meaning the verbiage just says add 4 levels pretty much?Boon CompanionP
Source Seekers of Secrets 16
Your bond with your animal companion or familiar is unusually close.Prerequisites: Animal companion or familiar class ability.
Benefit: The abilities of your animal companion or familiar are calculated as though your class were four levels higher, "to a maximum bonus equal to your character level". If you have more than one animal companion or familiar, choose one to receive this benefit. If you lose or dismiss an animal companion or familiar, you may apply this feat to the replacement creature.
Special: You may select this feat more than once. The effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a different animal companion or familiar.
Yes if is Summoner 4 and Fighter 4 then PET level 8
Not Summoner 4 pet level 8
I add "" for the point that makeing to speed reading
Druid 4 and this feat does not pet level 8. Cause it only give bonus if you missing level. ie Druid 3 fighter 4 pet level 4 not pet level 8.
it keep you on curve it does not get you ahead of it.It differnet than extra Rage, Song, Turn ect. All which let get a ahead of the power curve.
As written, doesn't it actually allow a summoner 4 with pet 8?
Meaning the verbiage just says add 4 levels pretty much?
As written the summoner can not use it at all.
maxiumum bonus of 4. So if he is 4, the bonus is 4 which equals 8. It needs to read maximum level equal to the character level.
That language is already present in the Boon Companion feat.
Benefit: The abilities of your animal companion or familiar are calculated as though your class were four levels higher, to a maximum bonus equal to your character level. If you have more than one animal companion or familiar, choose one to receive this benefit. If you lose or dismiss an animal companion or familiar, you may apply this feat to the replacement creature.
I highlighted the text in bold. This is from the PRD. You can't go above your level with this feat.
maxiumum bonus of 4. So if he is 4, the bonus is 4 which equals 8. It needs to read maximum level equal to the character level.
That language is already present in the Boon Companion feat.
Benefit: The abilities of your animal companion or familiar are calculated as though your class were four levels higher, to a maximum bonus equal to your character level. If you have more than one animal companion or familiar, choose one to receive this benefit. If you lose or dismiss an animal companion or familiar, you may apply this feat to the replacement creature.
I highlighted the text in bold. This is from the PRD. You can't go above your level with this feat.
It needs to read "to a maximum level equal to your character level", merely the bonus is capped by your character level, which doesn't help much.