I have been wondering if it is possible for a cavalier who has a dip in summoner to use an eidolon as a mount as long as it has the correct evolutions.
I do understand that the initial pick of a cavalier mount is limited to a horse, camel, pony or wolf depending on size but from what I have read it seems that is only at the start because if a cavalier's mount is killed then he must find another. It doesn't specify that the new mount must be anything in particular except of course that it is that it is a combat trained mount, so it feels like it is all about choice for the cavalier.
I also understand, that if there isn't anything in the rules against this that because of level limitations the cavalier would need to be a small size race.
the cavalier can rode anything he wants and use it as a mount. if you want to use an eidolon like this ot works fine.
however the eidolon will only be a mount as the thing you ride it won't be an animal companion and sill be stuck at lvl 1 eidolon stats unless you take more levels of summoner.
If the cavalier wanted to.. He could use a synthesist summoner as his mount..
If the cavalier wanted to.. He could use a synthesist summoner as his mount..
LOL, I never thought of that. Take leadership, get a 5th level synthesist.
the cavalier can rode anything he wants and use it as a mount. if you want to use an eidolon like this ot works fine.
however the eidolon will only be a mount as the thing you ride it won't be an animal companion and sill be stuck at lvl 1 eidolon stats unless you take more levels of summoner.
This, they are not the same class ability, so they would not stack.
The correct answer is "Ask your GM." This kind of this is 100% subject to GM approval.
Incorrect. A level 1 summoner can use his quadruped eidolon as a mount if he gets that evolution. Taking levels in cavalier does not prevent him from continuing to use that eidolon as a mount. Of course, the rules do NOT allow for the eidolon to advance with cavalier levels.
Of course it's true that a GM could override the rules in either of these cases, but the rules themselves are QUITE clear about how this works.
Well I was very aware that the eidolon mount would not grow however that was not why I was asking. Every GM I ever had always goes after the mount for reasons I can only assume is a form of twisted torture. In addition, if you are dungeon crawling, a mount is not very useful unless you are a small sized PC on a Medium sized mount. Eidolon never really die they just poof and you have to wait 24 hours for them to come back with 1/2 their HP. If the only spell I cast is the eidolon healing spell that is more than enough to heal the eidolon when it comes back.
I mentioned the possibility of doing this to my GM and he didn't seem against it, but I just wanted to make sure it wasn't against the rules.
You would need the mount evolution.
Yet another example why Paizo needs to come out with feats or PrC to better synthesize different classes together for when people multiclass. >.>
Yet another example why Paizo needs to come out with feats or PrC to better synthesize different classes together for when people multiclass. >.>
Given their drive to make it a viable option to stay with one class and avoid dipping I wouldn't hold my breatrh on that...
RAW please? Cause I don't feel that the rules "specifically" state you can't do this. If you mean instead that sense they don't say that you can do this, that means you can't. Then no, that's not correct, just unwritten.
The caviler does not have the "eidolon" class ability. He has the animal companion class ability. One does not stack with the other, as they are not the same ability.
So yes you can have a cav 5/summoner 1 but he will have a 5th level animal companion and a level 1 eidolon. The only way you have to up the eidolons level is to take more levels of summoner.
You can make a ridable eidolon with the mount evolution, but it will always be based off of your summoner level alone.
As has been said, it can be used as a mount if you take the evolution that allows it to be used as such. If you do not have the evolution then no, it can not be used as a mount.
But more importantly, no where that I can see in RAW does it state that the Eidolon class ability can not function as the Mount class ability. No they do not stack, this is correct. Perhaps you could make a PrC that makes them stack.
Your acknowledgement that they do not stack tells me that I misunderstood what you meant when you asked if the eidolon would work as the mount. Correct me if I'm mistaken - you're essentially asking if the cavalier would get no ACP on his ride checks when riding the eidolon thanks to the "A cavalier does not take an armor check penalty on Ride checks while riding his mount," not whether it would allow you to scale the eidolon's stats as you level as you would with the faux druid companion. If not, I need to know specifically what mechanical advantages you're asking whether or not you get.
As a GM, I would certainly allow you to ignore ACP on ride checks while riding the eidolon, since it's not overpowered and the language in the relevant quote is not so restrictive to disallow that interpretation. Overall, it's up to the GM though - does the quote refer specifically to the mount you gain through the mount class feature (or regain after a week of mourning through the mount class feature), or to any creature which can be correctly considered "your mount"?
If you have a problem with being without a mount, though, I'd stray away from a mount that has at most 8 HP, at most 16 AC, and at most a +7 reflex with no evasion. At later levels, you'll find that as soon as an AoE goes off or more than one attack targets it in a round (first one might get shaken off with mounted combat), you have no mount for the rest of the day.
From the post further up the thread, it seems they are just looking for a mount that can be reliably called on. The eidolon never truly "dies" and will be available everyday even if killed off during an encounter previously. Basically, if it could be a disposable or secondary mount I'm guessing.
Given that the full text of the line is
But more importantly, no where that I can see in RAW does it state that the Eidolon class ability can not function as the Mount class ability. No they do not stack, this is correct. Perhaps you could make a PrC that makes them stack.
Your acknowledgement that they do not stack tells me that I misunderstood what you meant when you asked if the eidolon would work as the mount. Correct me if I'm mistaken - you're essentially asking if the cavalier would get no ACP on his ride checks when riding the eidolon thanks to the "A cavalier does not take an armor check penalty on Ride checks while riding his mount," not whether it would allow you to scale the eidolon's stats as you level as you would with the faux druid companion. If not, I need to know specifically what mechanical advantages you're asking whether or not you get.
As a GM, I would certainly allow you to ignore ACP on ride checks while riding the eidolon, since it's not overpowered and the language in the relevant quote is not so restrictive to disallow that interpretation. Overall, it's up to the GM though - does the quote refer specifically to the mount you gain through the mount class feature (or regain after a week of mourning through the mount class feature), or to any creature which can be correctly considered "your mount"?
A cavalier does not take an armor check penalty on Ride checks while riding his mount. The mount is always considered combat trained and begins play with Light Armor Proficiency as a bonus feat. A cavalier’s mount does not gain the share spells special ability.
I'd say that it is very specifically referring to the special mount.
Given that the full text of the line is
But more importantly, no where that I can see in RAW does it state that the Eidolon class ability can not function as the Mount class ability. No they do not stack, this is correct. Perhaps you could make a PrC that makes them stack.
Your acknowledgement that they do not stack tells me that I misunderstood what you meant when you asked if the eidolon would work as the mount. Correct me if I'm mistaken - you're essentially asking if the cavalier would get no ACP on his ride checks when riding the eidolon thanks to the "A cavalier does not take an armor check penalty on Ride checks while riding his mount," not whether it would allow you to scale the eidolon's stats as you level as you would with the faux druid companion. If not, I need to know specifically what mechanical advantages you're asking whether or not you get.
As a GM, I would certainly allow you to ignore ACP on ride checks while riding the eidolon, since it's not overpowered and the language in the relevant quote is not so restrictive to disallow that interpretation. Overall, it's up to the GM though - does the quote refer specifically to the mount you gain through the mount class feature (or regain after a week of mourning through the mount class feature), or to any creature which can be correctly considered "your mount"?
A cavalier does not take an armor check penalty on Ride checks while riding his mount. The mount is always considered combat trained and begins play with Light Armor Proficiency as a bonus feat. A cavalier’s mount does not gain the share spells special ability.I'd say that it is very specifically referring to the special mount.
I'm with Bobson. Mount ability specials do not apply on an Eidolon used as a mount as the Mount ability references a specific creature as "your mount." You cannot designate anything other than the animal companion as "your mount."
From the post further up the thread, it seems they are just looking for a mount that can be reliably called on. The eidolon never truly "dies" and will be available everyday even if killed off during an encounter previously. Basically, if it could be a disposable or secondary mount I'm guessing.That does seem to run rather counter to the spirit of the Mount feature.
Mount (Ex)
A cavalier gains the service of a loyal and trusty steed to carry him into battle. This mount functions as a druid’s animal companion, using the cavalier’s level as his effective druid level. The creature must be one that he is capable of riding and is suitable as a mount. A Medium cavalier can select a camel or a horse. A Small cavalier can select a pony or wolf, but can also select a boar or a dog if he is at least 4th level. The GM might approve other animals as suitable mounts.
A cavalier does not take an armor check penalty on Ride checks while riding his mount. The mount is always considered combat trained and begins play with Light Armor Proficiency as a bonus feat. A cavalier’s mount does not gain the share spells special ability.
A cavalier’s bond with his mount is strong, with the pair learning to anticipate each other’s moods and moves. Should a cavalier’s mount die, the cavalier may find another mount to serve him after 1 week of mourning. This new mount does not gain the link, evasion, devotion, or improved evasion special abilities until the next time the cavalier gains a level.
I never said that it could be used as a mount/companion, just that a cavalier could ride an eidolon as a secondary/emergency mount if needed. Someone asked why the OP was inquiring, I mentioned the post above where that question was answered.