Apes wearing armor


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Liberty's Edge

I've looked everywhere for this and just can't find it (though there are countless topics on the subject of Int 3 apes with weaponry...):
When creating armor for an ape, is it humanoid or non-humanoid?
Yes, it's more or less human-shaped, which is the technical definition of humanoid, but their movement is SO non-human that I can't imagine human armor would work well on them.
Anyway, my druid has 20 gp riding on this question. :)


hell go for non humanoid armor it is a ape reverse the question if you found a dead ape in chain mail or plate would it fit you? and could you fight in it?

Liberty's Edge

Apes are technically not humanoid according to the rules. So while your DM is free to rule differently, an ape's armor should be animal armor, not humanoid armor, by default. And because they move differently, I think it should stay animal armor. You can't just modify human armor to get ape armor; you have to get different plates and articulate them differently.


tjlatta wrote:

I've looked everywhere for this and just can't find it (though there are countless topics on the subject of Int 3 apes with weaponry...):

When creating armor for an ape, is it humanoid or non-humanoid?
Yes, it's more or less human-shaped, which is the technical definition of humanoid, but their movement is SO non-human that I can't imagine human armor would work well on them.
Anyway, my druid has 20 gp riding on this question. :)

Actually, the Intelligent Ape in 4WFG's Tome of Monsters is physically more or less a regular great ape - the default is a gorilla, but variants include Chimpanzee, Orangutan, and Bonobo - and they wear Hide Armor. It would have to be specially made for them, you couldn't retro-fit human armor to them because the proportions and range of motion are different. Since the intelligent apes make their own, however, it's not a problem for them.

A regular ape would probably refuse to wear armor because it would be too uncomfortable for no immediate benefit. For the purposes of armor-making, I would say non-humanoid for all intents and purposes.


Non humanoid, I'm pretty sure

Liberty's Edge

Lyingbastard wrote:
A regular ape would probably refuse to wear armor because it would be too uncomfortable for no immediate benefit. For the purposes of armor-making, I would say non-humanoid for all intents and purposes.

Unless it's an animal companion and you give it the Armor Proficiency feat.

But that's not the cheesy part.
That comes when I bump his int to 3 and give him Throw Anything. Big backpack full of little empty beer-kegs... Did I mention my druid is a dwarf with a bushy black moustache and ranks in Craft: Plumbing?


Lobolusk wrote:
hell go for non humanoid armor it is a ape reverse the question if you found a dead ape in chain mail or plate would it fit you? and could you fight in it?

"Oh, here's this dead Dwarf in Full Plate. I wonder if our good friend, Elf can wear it."

"Fits like a glove."


Cartigan,
You picked the one type of armour that does not fit every humanoid of that size "Full Plate: This metal suit includes gauntlets, heavy leather boots, a visored helmet, and a thick layer of padding that is worn underneath the armor. Each suit of full plate must be individually fitted to its owner by a master armorsmith, although a captured suit can be resized to fit a new owner at a cost of 200 to 800 (2d4 × 100) gold pieces."
But that Dwarven BreatPlate will fit the Elf just fine :)


tjlatta wrote:

I've looked everywhere for this and just can't find it (though there are countless topics on the subject of Int 3 apes with weaponry...):

When creating armor for an ape, is it humanoid or non-humanoid?
Yes, it's more or less human-shaped, which is the technical definition of humanoid, but their movement is SO non-human that I can't imagine human armor would work well on them.
Anyway, my druid has 20 gp riding on this question. :)

Which ape? If human, yes. If a gorillia, no. You have to pay extra for barding.

Barding, Medium Creature and Large Creature: Barding is a type of armor that covers the head, neck, chest, body, and possibly legs of a horse or other mount. Barding made of medium or heavy armor provides better protection than light barding, but at the expense of speed. Barding can be made of any of the armor types found on Table: Armor and Shields.

Armor for a horse (a Large nonhumanoid creature) costs four times as much as human armor (a Medium humanoid creature) and also weighs twice as much (see Table: Armor for Unusual Creatures). If the barding is for a pony or other Medium mount, the cost is only double, and the weight is the same as for Medium armor worn by a humanoid. Medium or heavy barding slows a mount that wears it, as shown on the table below.

Flying mounts can't fly in medium or heavy barding.

Removing and fitting barding takes five times as long as the figures given on Table: Donning Armor. A barded animal cannot be used to carry any load other than a rider and normal saddlebags.


David Thomassen wrote:

Cartigan,

You picked the one type of armour that does not fit every humanoid of that size "Full Plate: This metal suit includes gauntlets, heavy leather boots, a visored helmet, and a thick layer of padding that is worn underneath the armor. Each suit of full plate must be individually fitted to its owner by a master armorsmith, although a captured suit can be resized to fit a new owner at a cost of 200 to 800 (2d4 × 100) gold pieces."
But that Dwarven BreatPlate will fit the Elf just fine :)

Of course who plays with that? Regardless, yes, Medium armor is Medium armor. Want to play in a game where it isn't? It isn't amusing.

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