Can you select the Wildblooded bloodline abilities when picking up the Eldritch Heritage line of feats?
I really want to play a ranger bounty hunter concept with Eldritch Heritage (sylvan) and Boon Companion (x2) to get a pair of animal companions (hunting dogs that help track and subdue bounties).
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Can you select the Wildblooded bloodline abilities when picking up the Eldritch Heritage line of feats?
I really want to play a ranger bounty hunter concept with Eldritch Heritage (sylvan) and Boon Companion (x2) to get a pair of animal companions (hunting dogs that help track and subdue bounties).
The Sylvan Bloodline would be unobtainable with Eldritch Heritage. The animal companion is both its bloodline arcana and bloodline ability but Eldritch Heritage only gives access to the bloodline ability.
If you want two animal companions, just take the beast master archetype. They may be weaker than those you want to get, though.
The Sylvan Bloodline would be unobtainable with Eldritch Heritage. The animal companion is both its bloodline arcana and bloodline ability but Eldritch Heritage only gives access to the bloodline ability.
I'm not sure that automatically follows. The animal companion is the level 1 bloodline ability, that you are able to get with Eldritch Heritage. That it has special rules that also make it count as the bloodline arcana seems irrelevant to Eldritch Heritage.
Of course, I'm not sure you are supposed to be able to pick Wildblooded bloodlines for the feat in the first place, so the difference may not matter.
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The Sylvan Bloodline would be unobtainable with Eldritch Heritage. The animal companion is both its bloodline arcana and bloodline ability but Eldritch Heritage only gives access to the bloodline ability.
I'm not sure that automatically follows. The animal companion is the level 1 bloodline ability, that you are able to get with Eldritch Heritage. That it has special rules that also make it count as the bloodline arcana seems irrelevant to Eldritch Heritage.
Of course, I'm not sure you are supposed to be able to pick Wildblooded bloodlines for the feat in the first place, so the difference may not matter.
This bloodline power counts as your bloodline arcana and also replaces laughing touch.
Seems pretty clear to me.
Seems pretty clear to me.
I don't think you can pick Wildblooded bloodlines anyway (since they aren't actually bloodlines), so it doesn't really matter which is right. :)
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There are also these points:
Class Level: This is the character's druid level. The druid's class levels stack with levels of any other classes that are entitled to an animal companion for the purpose of determining the companion's statistics.
We will put out a quick FAQ on the familiar issue soon enough. No need to start arguing about it. The answer btw, is no, this does not let a a 10th level wizard have a familiar as if he were 18th level. You cannot count levels from a class twice toward that purpose, even if a feat grants you additional access.
I agree with Slaunyeh. It's not a bloodline, but rather an archetype that modifies an existing bloodline. Since you can't take an archetype without taking levels in that particular class, you can't take Eldritch Heritage to gain access to Wildblooded bloodline powers.
I agree with Slaunyeh. It's not a bloodline, but rather an archetype that modifies an existing bloodline. Since you can't take an archetype without taking levels in that particular class, you can't take Eldritch Heritage to gain access to Wildblooded bloodline powers.
What if you ARE a wildblooded sorcerer and pick Eldritch Heritage in another bloodline. Do you get the power from the wildblooded bloodline, or the base bloodline? Do you have a choice in the matter?
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Can you select the Wildblooded bloodline abilities when picking up the Eldritch Heritage line of feats?
I really want to play a ranger bounty hunter concept with Eldritch Heritage (sylvan) and Boon Companion (x2) to get a pair of animal companions (hunting dogs that help track and subdue bounties).
The Sylvan Bloodline would be unobtainable with Eldritch Heritage. The animal companion is both its bloodline arcana and bloodline ability but Eldritch Heritage only gives access to the bloodline ability.
If you want two animal companions, just take the beast master archetype. They may be weaker than those you want to get, though.
Eldritch Heritage says you can get any Bloodline Arcana. This ability IS a bloodline arcana. The fact that it replaces a second class ability is of no consequence.
Whether wildblooded bloodlines are allowed, however, is another matter.
There are also these points:
Class Level: This is the character's druid level. The druid's class levels stack with levels of any other classes that are entitled to an animal companion for the purpose of determining the companion's statistics.We will put out a quick FAQ on the familiar issue soon enough. No need to start arguing about it. The answer btw, is no, this does not let a a 10th level wizard have a familiar as if he were 18th level. You cannot count levels from a class twice toward that purpose, even if a feat grants you additional access.Source
Not to be rude, but I'm failing to see how this is relevant.
I agree with Slaunyeh. It's not a bloodline, but rather an archetype that modifies an existing bloodline. Since you can't take an archetype without taking levels in that particular class, you can't take Eldritch Heritage to gain access to Wildblooded bloodline powers.
Cleric's get subdomains, which are freely selectable by other classes and archetypes.
I don't see why this would be treated any differently.
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Eldritch Heritage says you can get any Bloodline Arcana. This ability IS a bloodline arcana. The fact that it replaces a second class ability is of no consequence.
Whether wildblooded bloodlines are allowed, however, is another matter.
You might want to reread the feat since you do not gain a bloodline arcana.
Not to be rude, but I'm failing to see how this is relevant.
The fact that you can't get a second animal companion does not seem relevant to your question about getting a second animal companion?
Eldritch Heritage says you can get any Bloodline Arcana. This ability IS a bloodline arcana. The fact that it replaces a second class ability is of no consequence.Can you select the Wildblooded bloodline abilities when picking up the Eldritch Heritage line of feats?
I really want to play a ranger bounty hunter concept with Eldritch Heritage (sylvan) and Boon Companion (x2) to get a pair of animal companions (hunting dogs that help track and subdue bounties).
The Sylvan Bloodline would be unobtainable with Eldritch Heritage. The animal companion is both its bloodline arcana and bloodline ability but Eldritch Heritage only gives access to the bloodline ability.
If you want two animal companions, just take the beast master archetype. They may be weaker than those you want to get, though.
No it doesn't. It says nothing about Bloodline Arcana at all.
No it doesn't. It says nothing about Bloodline Arcana at all.
I'm pretty sure he meant bloodline power.
I'm pretty sure he meant bloodline power.
No it doesn't. It says nothing about Bloodline Arcana at all.
Even so, since the ability is also an arcana, Eldritch Heritage won't allow you to get it. For which I'm grateful, since I would NOT want every class to have access to an animal companion of the druid's power for only 3 feats.
You might want to reread the feat since you do not gain a bloodline arcana.Eldritch Heritage says you can get any Bloodline Arcana. This ability IS a bloodline arcana. The fact that it replaces a second class ability is of no consequence.
Whether wildblooded bloodlines are allowed, however, is another matter.
Ugh. That's what I get for posting so early in the morning...
I was looking at the bloodline arcana abilities, which are wholly different from the 1st-level abilities, aren't they? Darn it.
The fact that you can't get a second animal companion does not seem relevant to your question about getting a second animal companion?Not to be rude, but I'm failing to see how this is relevant.
When you put it that way, it seems far more relevant. :P
Still, having two separate animal companion abilities allows you to stack class levels for the purposes of determining the abilities of your single companion, right?
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Still, having two separate animal companion abilities allows you to stack class levels for the purposes of determining the abilities of your single companion, right?
Considering the Bulmahn quote, I'd say that they would stack but not above character level. It would probably grant access to the full druid companion list instead of the limited ranger one. However, if Eldritch Heritage would grant the companion, it would allow a paladin or cavalier to gain two pets since animal companions and mounts are different from animal companions.
The Sylvan Bloodline would be unobtainable with Eldritch Heritage. The animal companion is both its bloodline arcana and bloodline ability but Eldritch Heritage only gives access to the bloodline ability.
I came to the same conclusion. You could probably get a few of the wildblooded powers with the Eldritch Heritage feat (such as Sage and Sanguine), since those provide a replacement 1st level bloodline power only. But the Sylvan bloodline power replaces your bloodline arcana as well as your bloodline power. That is, the animal companion ability requires you to give up A (1st level bloodline power) and B (bloodline arcana). The Eldritch Heritage feat only gives you A. Getting something that costs A + B doesn't follow. That way lies madness. :)
The Sylvan Bloodline would be unobtainable with Eldritch Heritage. The animal companion is both its bloodline arcana and bloodline ability but Eldritch Heritage only gives access to the bloodline ability.I came to the same conclusion. You could probably get a few of the wildblooded powers with the Eldritch Heritage feat (such as Sage and Sanguine), since those provide a replacement 1st level bloodline power only. But the Sylvan bloodline power replaces your bloodline arcana as well as your bloodline power. That is, the animal companion ability requires you to give up A (1st level bloodline power) and B (bloodline arcana). The Eldritch Heritage feat only gives you A. Getting something that costs A + B doesn't follow. That way lies madness. :)
I'm really unsure about your rationale. The problem is really that the Sylvan Wildblood is the ONLY bloodline that has a separate and distinct mechanic. I may or may not allow it, but I haven't decided.
If you can do this, at least you can still snag it on a Summoner for silliness, though. That is, supposing there's no issue taking Wildblooded powers. I tend to think that there's no reason to prevent someone from taking an Archetype when utilizing the feat, but I would need to reread the Archetypes section of the APG to confirm that.
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Can you select the Wildblooded bloodline abilities when picking up the Eldritch Heritage line of feats?
I really want to play a ranger bounty hunter concept with Eldritch Heritage (sylvan) and Boon Companion (x2) to get a pair of animal companions (hunting dogs that help track and subdue bounties).
I don't think there is a clear RAW or even RAI interpretation here; I've wondered the same thing myself about Wildblooded bloodlines. The understanding my local group came to is that you can't select the Wildblooded version unless you have levels in the archetype, and if you do, you must select only Wildblooded versions (either you have the archetype and it replaces abilities, or you don't and it doesn't).
Short version: "Sylvan" is not a bloodline, "Fae" is. If you take level in sorcerer with the archetype "wildblooded", it changes (all)your appropriate bloodline abilities to the new ones.
I don't see how subdomains relate as they have nothing to do with archetypes.
(Again, this is just one interpretation. I say ask your DM. If this is for PFS, well, I'd go with a conservative interpretation so you don't get burned later).
Considering that you need two feats to get the animal companion (Skill Focus: Knowledge (Nature) and Eldritch Heritage), and the animal companion is at your sorcerer level -3 (which is already at -2 from Eldritch Heritage, stacking it to -5), and that you need a third feat to get the animal copmaion's effective level to -1, which still isn't your full level, I'd say it isn't broken to allow this use of Eldritch Heritage to get an animal companion as any character.
You know there is a feat chain that does this without eldritch heritage called nature souled or something right?
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You know this discussion predates the existence of that feat chain by five years or so right?
On a less snarky note, this nicely illustrates the reason to not necro a rule thread to 'correct' or add to the discussion, you will likely refer to something that wasn't published at the time.
