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For the purpose of feats like Spell Mastery, Spell Specialization, and Spell Perfection, do wordspells count as spells?
How about Traits like Magical Lineage?
Can a Wizard be a Specialized Master of the Boost Burst Fire Blast wordspell?
I wouldn't think so. In fact, doesn't the fluff indicate that WoP are the crude precursors to modern spells?
Aldin wrote: I wouldn't think so. In fact, doesn't the fluff indicate that WoP are the crude precursors to modern spells? Sure, but what about that suggests you couldn't Perfect, Master, or Specialize in them? Or have had parents that used a particular wordspell so frequently that you receive the benefits of Magical Lineage?
My vote is that they would, in fact, affect wordspells like normal spells. As meta-magic feats can affect them, aswell as the ability to counter wordspells with normal spells and vice-versa.
That, to me, suggests that a wordspell is as much a normal spell as any other. The difference is wordspells still work with the basic components of breaking the laws of physics, while normal spells are simply well-practiced and refined versions.
Just as multiplication is simply a faster and more refined version of addition. Multiplication will get you to a large result far quicker and easier, but it is, in it's most basic element, simply a LOT of addition.
Just my 2 cents
I really don't think a Wordspell is a spell in the classic sense. It is the combinations of spell elements. In effect it produces spells, but it seems to me that each time the spell is produced it is a unique blending of the words used. One reason to look at it this way is because effect words can be in different orders and produce the same results. A Cone Burning Flash Shock Arc and a Cone Shock Arc Burning Flash have the same effect even though they are combined differently.
Metamagic works because you can use it generically with either any spell you know or any spell with a specific descriptor. In fact, if you look through Metamagic you could pretty easily say that Metamagic is affecting the elements of spells, altering components, effects, targets, etc. Spell Mastery, et al, are not affecting components at all but are more like polishing a single known spell to the point it is at the epitome of how well that spell can possibly be cast. In my mind, that stands in stark contrast to the crudity of Wordcasting. That's my take on it anyway.
Aldin wrote: I really don't think a Wordspell is a spell in the classic sense. It is the combinations of spell elements. In effect it produces spells, but it seems to me that each time the spell is produced it is a unique blending of the words used. One reason to look at it this way is because effect words can be in different orders and produce the same results. A Cone Burning Flash Shock Arc and a Cone Shock Arc Burning Flash have the same effect even though they are combined differently.
Metamagic works because you can use it generically with either any spell you know or any spell with a specific descriptor. In fact, if you look through Metamagic you could pretty easily say that Metamagic is affecting the elements of spells, altering components, effects, targets, etc. Spell Mastery, et al, are not affecting components at all but are more like polishing a single known spell to the point it is at the epitome of how well that spell can possibly be cast. In my mind, that stands in stark contrast to the crudity of Wordcasting. That's my take on it anyway.
OK, makes sense. But aren't those actually different wordspells? They have the same result, but you crafted them differently. Just as 2 + 3 has the same result as 3 + 2, aren't they two different equations?
If one accepts that those are two different wordspells, why can't I, as a wordcaster, specialize in speaking that wordspell? If I re-order the words, I don't get the benefit of the feat, as it's a different wordspell.
*shrug*
I can see the argument either way, Adam. I guess that, for me, the concepts of spell specialization and perfection seem to have little to do with the "Wild West" version of casting that is word spells. Spell Mastery just flat out doesn't work as written and the way words work would make it a bit TOO good for a Wizard as Word Mastery.
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