Eldritch Heritage


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Can you select a wildblooded bloodline when choosing this feat?


Ellington wrote:
Can you select a wildblooded bloodline when choosing this feat?

Sure can.

Shadow Lodge

I'm not as sure about that. Wildblood is an archetype not just a different bloodtype.


0gre wrote:
I'm not as sure about that. Wildblood is an archetype not just a different bloodtype.

It is a variant on a blood line.


Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
0gre wrote:
I'm not as sure about that. Wildblood is an archetype not just a different bloodtype.
It is a variant on a blood line.

It's listed as an archetype so talking strictly RAW, i think that 0gre is right.


leo1925 wrote:
Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
0gre wrote:
I'm not as sure about that. Wildblood is an archetype not just a different bloodtype.
It is a variant on a blood line.
It's listed as an archetype so talking strictly RAW, i think that 0gre is right.

Yes RAW, but RAI?


Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
leo1925 wrote:
Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
0gre wrote:
I'm not as sure about that. Wildblood is an archetype not just a different bloodtype.
It is a variant on a blood line.
It's listed as an archetype so talking strictly RAW, i think that 0gre is right.
Yes RAW, but RAI?

Of course, for RAI, i am 99% with you and everyone else.

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Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
0gre wrote:
I'm not as sure about that. Wildblood is an archetype not just a different bloodtype.
It is a variant on a blood line.

Personally, I'd say let the sorcerers keep it to themselves. They have so little that's their own.

As for Rules as Intended... *shrug* I guess you have to ask why the developers listed it as an archetype rather than just saying "Variant Bloodlines" like they did with domains.

I'm not good at mind reading.


0gre wrote:
Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
0gre wrote:
I'm not as sure about that. Wildblood is an archetype not just a different bloodtype.
It is a variant on a blood line.

Personally, I'd say let the sorcerers keep it to themselves. They have so little that's their own.

As for Rules as Intended... *shrug* I guess you have to ask why the developers listed it as an archetype rather than just saying "Variant Bloodlines" like they did with domains.

I'm not good at mind reading.

Good point.


Ellington wrote:
Can you select a wildblooded bloodline when choosing this feat?

I checked this one. There seems to be no limitation on mixing archetypes as long as they don't replace the same abilities.

Shadow Lodge

Maddigan wrote:
Ellington wrote:
Can you select a wildblooded bloodline when choosing this feat?
I checked this one. There seems to be no limitation on mixing archetypes as long as they don't replace the same abilities.

And what does it say about using an archetype for one class in another?


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
0gre wrote:
Maddigan wrote:
Ellington wrote:
Can you select a wildblooded bloodline when choosing this feat?
I checked this one. There seems to be no limitation on mixing archetypes as long as they don't replace the same abilities.
And what does it say about using an archetype for one class in another?

I read somewhere on the forums, that only clerics could take subdomains (as opposed to druids and other classes). This leads me to believe that other classes CAN'T share archetype abilities.

Take that with a grain of salt though and do what you think is best for your games.

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

Ravingdork wrote:

I read somewhere on the forums, that only clerics could take subdomains (as opposed to druids and other classes). This leads me to believe that other classes CAN'T share archetype abilities.

I saw that too, but the FAQ states otherwise, so I think they reversed their decision on it.

FAQ

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Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:

I read somewhere on the forums, that only clerics could take subdomains (as opposed to druids and other classes). This leads me to believe that other classes CAN'T share archetype abilities.

I saw that too, but the FAQ states otherwise, so I think they reversed their decision on it.

FAQ

... sort of sets precedence except sub-domains are not archetypes. I'm guessing Wildblooded also works with other classes. Wishful thinking on my part.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
0gre wrote:
... sort of sets precedence except sub-domains are not archetypes. I'm guessing Wildblooded also works with other classes. Wishful thinking on my part.

Are the subdomains not in the archetypes section of the rules in the APG? Wouldn't that make them archetypes?

Shadow Lodge

There is no "Archetypes" section as far as I can tell. Under both the APG and Ultimate Magic there are chapters with alternate class abilities. Wildblooded is listed as an archetype in it's header. Subdomains are not.

It might be deliberate or it might be an incidental style change.


I agree with Ogre, Wildblooded seems Sorceror only,
though if you have 1 level of Wild-Blooded Sorceror, I suppose any other classes/feats/etc that `key into` the same `base` Bloodline would then be `converted` to the Wildblooded, since AFAIK you`re not supposed to be able to have 2 Bloodlines of the same base type, e.g. one regular Arcane, one Wildblooded Arcane BL via Eldritch Heritage.

I`m hitting FAQ on the top post...


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Ellington wrote:
Can you select a wildblooded bloodline when choosing this feat?

I certainly hope not. The Eldritch Heritage line is powerful enough without the need for even more options being added to them. What's more, Wildblooded bloodlines may be the only thing left given to sorcerers that hasn't been stolen by other classes and characters.

Those poor, poor sorcerers.


I think that the only reason it was made as just an archetype was that beyond the eldrech heritage, only sorcs have bloodlines, while druids, inquisitors, and clerics all get domains. the feat lets him have a bloodline power like he was a sorc. of his character level -2, so I don't think that using a wild blooded version of it is too far fetched. Then there is this tid bit in the sage blood line:

Quote:

Arcane Bolt (Sp): Starting at 1st level, you can unleash

a ray of magic force as a standard action, targeting any
foe within 30 feet as a ranged touch attack. This ray deals
1d4 points of damage + 1 for every two sorcerer levels you
possess. This damage is treated as a spell of a level equal
to half your sorcerer level, and is a force effect. You can
use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 +
your Charisma modifier. This bloodline power replaces
arcane bond.

If the wild blooded powers could not be achieved with the feat, it would be impossible to get this power based upon Charisma, as the bloodline arcana replaces charisma in the Sorc. with int. But if the power could be gained with the feat, then it would need to be written with charisma, as the arcana would still over write it with INT, but those without the arcana would use cha.

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

What if a wild-blooded sorcerer takes Eldritch Heritage?

Maybe they'd have to choose the wild-blooded variant of the power from their EH bloodline.

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