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I havent played Eberron much but I finally sat in on a game. The DM had a very interesting rule. He said that Warforged could not be sorcerers because how could they possess the blood of Dragons or Outsiders. I thought this was an interesting way to put it. Is there an actual rule for this? If not, what do you think of the ruling?
I havent played Eberron much but I finally sat in on a game. The DM had a very interesting rule. He said that Warforged could not be sorcerers because how could they possess the blood of Dragons or Outsiders. I thought this was an interesting way to put it. Is there an actual rule for this? If not, what do you think of the ruling?
There is no rule requiring sorcerers to have dragon or outsider blood. That in purely fluff. There is no mechanical reason why a warforged can not be a sorcerer.
As for the ruling, I am all right with it. If he wants to run a game with the fluff requirement of sorcerers having dragon or outsider blood, that is fine with me. As long as he made it known beforehand - it is a houserule after all, and should of been stated. (Then again, I never play sorcerers anyway. Don't like the strict limit on spells known.)
Even if he says they need dragon or outsider blood, warforged could still possibly be sorcerers. Since warforged are crafted beings, then maybe someone somewhere used special techniques to fuse dragon blood into the creation of a warforged. Make it a body feat, Bloodforged Body, that allows a warforged to be a sorcerer. Would stop them from taking another body feat like adamantine, mithril, or whatever the psionic one is. Retains the DMs original fluff, and adds in even more fluff. A lot of fluffy goodness.
They can be druids which I found odd so they can be sorcerers. Even with the penalty to charisma they get immunity to a lot of things that casters worry about. I don't think it is that bad of a trade off.
It completely in the right of GM to house rule this but there is no actual rules about it. Given I have read ALOT of the Ebberon books, in my opion from these readings - war forged are a 'tech' stolen/reversed engineered from the fallen Xendrick Giant Empire, along with the Forges that made them. Claim misunderstanding caused a 'overloaded' war forged and that = sorcerer.
Also the 'creator' of the warforgeds still operates a Forge in Sharn and randomly makes new war forges in secret, releasing them just to see what they do. You could be a 'new model' to become a sorcerer.
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Thanks all, I thought it would be kind of a nice change of pace from always being the leader. I wanted to play something unique and not overly powerful. I thought it would be fun to have a character that was kind of background character. Right away with me playing a warforged, they have me on watch all the time. I understand a DM's right to shape his world anyway he likes, I do it all the time. I just didnt know if anyone else was running this rule. So it is fluff when they say that a Sorcerer has to be descended from dragons, or have outsider blood I believe that DRAGON had an article on different ancestry when it came to Sorcerers. I appreciate the input without this devolving into an addition war.
I think Ill talk to my DM and see if I can talk him into a warforged sorcerer.
Always like the imagery of a dragon disciple warforged.
They can be druids which I found odd so they can be sorcerers. Even with the penalty to charisma they get immunity to a lot of things that casters worry about. I don't think it is that bad of a trade off.
I think the druid idean would be a bit odd but not imposible. After all when the warforged were freed they needed to find their place in nature so what better way than to embrace the "natural" world.
Personally I wouldn't allow them an animal companion but a warforged crafted animal equivelant could work.My big experiment came when I wanted to create undead warforged. After all they are "living" constructs so I tried to use the animate dead spell to see if I could make some zombie warforged. The DM and I went round and round on that one but he finally invoked "Because it's my F'n Game" rule and said he was not opening up that can of worms to allow undead and construct template together.
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They can be druids which I found odd so they can be sorcerers. Even with the penalty to charisma they get immunity to a lot of things that casters worry about. I don't think it is that bad of a trade off.I think the druid idean would be a bit odd but not imposible. After all when the warforged were freed they needed to find their place in nature so what better way than to embrace the "natural" world.
Personally I wouldn't allow them an animal companion but a warforged crafted animal equivelant could work.My big experiment came when I wanted to create undead warforged. After all they are "living" constructs so I tried to use the animate dead spell to see if I could make some zombie warforged. The DM and I went round and round on that one but he finally invoked "Because it's my F'n Game" rule and said he was not opening up that can of worms to allow undead and construct template together.
ROFLMAO I love the "Because the DM says so" rule
ROFLMAO I love the "Because the DM says so" ruleThey can be druids which I found odd so they can be sorcerers. Even with the penalty to charisma they get immunity to a lot of things that casters worry about. I don't think it is that bad of a trade off.I think the druid idean would be a bit odd but not imposible. After all when the warforged were freed they needed to find their place in nature so what better way than to embrace the "natural" world.
Personally I wouldn't allow them an animal companion but a warforged crafted animal equivelant could work.My big experiment came when I wanted to create undead warforged. After all they are "living" constructs so I tried to use the animate dead spell to see if I could make some zombie warforged. The DM and I went round and round on that one but he finally invoked "Because it's my F'n Game" rule and said he was not opening up that can of worms to allow undead and construct template together.
Well in his defense I am the kind of player that he sites as an example of why he allows or doesn't allow certain things to happen in his game.
No luck feats, no skill tricks, no reserve feats, no evil alignments, no neutral alignments that allow any of MY charecters to EVER control ANY type of undead. < you don't wanna know what I did with the last one.I am the worlds best rules lawyer and will devoure my rule books as my prefered form of entertainment over going out or doing anything else.
The nightmare of when I was on a "I'm gonna help everybody" kick is still talked about. I took aid another,trip,grapple,pin and all the rather werid often times overlooked combat rules and made very, very good use of them as a WIZARD!
Course I did have a natural 16str and the fighetr had a 12 but it was still funny when I would do nothing in combat but flank defensivly,aid another etc and we ruled the combat scene.
Thus my DM had to resort to "Because I said so" alot for me, just me and only ME( i'm speacil)
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I actually had a player that drove me to outlaw Chaotic Neutral in my game. In his mind set Chaotic Neutral meant, I can do anything I want and screw the whole party just for the fun of it and there is nothing my DM can do about it. I swear that our other DM, we switched off every other month, actually got so mad that he passed out. A good mate of mine that posts on here can tell you the same. I totally understand the reason for the DM said so rule.
I actually had a player that drove me to outlaw Chaotic Neutral in my game. In his mind set Chaotic Neutral meant, I can do anything I want and screw the whole party just for the fun of it and there is nothing my DM can do about it. I swear that our other DM, we switched off every other month, actually got so mad that he passed out. A good mate of mine that posts on here can tell you the same. I totally understand the reason for the DM said so rule.
OMFG!! All I can say is that I now have a new standard to try and live up to. I have never, ever even considered getting someone so enraged with me that they almost PASSED OUT!. In think I have now found a new personal quest.
Mind you I work well with in my group I try to be helpful and never intentional try and derail the game. However I also share a much diffrent vision of what D&D is than our DM so thats where the conflict comes in. He expects noble heroes to save the princess/baroness/ preistess again and again and yet again. Me I go for the more anti-hero type charecter. Sure I'll do it but I'll do it for MY reasons. Stop an evil cult of the dragon, heck yes they make great sacrafices on the alter of my dark god etc etc. Whadda ya mean I can't stuff my greater shadow in my bag of holding and use the gaga "ya wanna see my pet monster" from Animaniacs?He will never forgive me for the time I turned his Big bad evil guy into a squirl and used him in my magic act. "Hey Rocky wanna see me pull a rabbit outta my hat?"
In short we all have fun players and dm's alike.
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I like challenging players that work well in the group. One of these times I have to post the story of our bard that passed out everytime he saw blood.....
If you challenge the DM it keeps things fresh and its good to see how other people look at the game its when you continually monkey wrench the heck out of game that it becomes a problem. I have a post on her about the way my player in question chopped the head off of another player's character. Anywhoo...like I said I love the challenge and I love to argue with rules lawyers but at the end of the day the guy behind the screen is the Great and Powerful OZ.
Btw the DM that actually passed out had an inner ear infection and when he got so bleedin mad the blood ruched to his head and he fell out of his chair senseless, everyone was wondering what to do, I was wondering if I could make it to the Pizza before everyone figured out this was a pause in the game.
Were you able to play the war forged sorcerer?
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Were you able to play the war forged sorcerer?
I came up with an interesting back story. Since he wanted a sorcerer to have a bloodline of some type, I went with the whole experimental-forged in the blood of a dragon-type. He's a warforged Sorcerer who has perhaps the lightest body i could get. I also went with the warforged feats to lighten him up as much as I could, so much for me having to lead everyone into combat. Im also playing him with a personality quirk....he is fascinated by the squishy insides and wants to experiment. This will be fun to hold back and not play a combat based character, I like being the support wuss.
Were you able to play the war forged sorcerer?I came up with an interesting back story. Since he wanted a sorcerer to have a bloodline of some type, I went with the whole experimental-forged in the blood of a dragon-type. He's a warforged Sorcerer who has perhaps the lightest body i could get. I also went with the warforged feats to lighten him up as much as I could, so much for me having to lead everyone into combat. Im also playing him with a personality quirk....he is fascinated by the squishy insides and wants to experiment. This will be fun to hold back and not play a combat based character, I like being the support wuss.
Did you consider the Reforged subtype of the Warforged?
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Did you consider the Reforged subtype of the Warforged?Were you able to play the war forged sorcerer?I came up with an interesting back story. Since he wanted a sorcerer to have a bloodline of some type, I went with the whole experimental-forged in the blood of a dragon-type. He's a warforged Sorcerer who has perhaps the lightest body i could get. I also went with the warforged feats to lighten him up as much as I could, so much for me having to lead everyone into combat. Im also playing him with a personality quirk....he is fascinated by the squishy insides and wants to experiment. This will be fun to hold back and not play a combat based character, I like being the support wuss.
Me thinks I must investigate this....to the Bat Cave
I thought the Reforged was a prestige class?
I thought the Reforged was a prestige class?It is.
There is the feat "unarmored body" which let's you have no armor and no spell failure.
Warforged dragon disiple
Aha, that's what i was thinking of. Unarmored body. I'd forgotten that reforged was a PrC.