Magus Arcane pool and Weapon-like spells


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Hi All.

I don't know if there is anything on the subject elsewhere, but here goes:

If my 6th level Magus spends his newly gained Arcana on getting two spells of a lower level than his maximum from the wizard list and one of them "happen" to be Shadow Weapon (Ultimate Magic page 237); Will the created weapon count as a spell, or as a weapon?

If it counts as a spell, it funktions as described and all is peachy, but if it counts as a weapon I can use my Arcane Pool to enhance it beyond it's intended capacity, thus making it quite handy in a rough spot.

The question goes for other spells such as Flameblade, Ice Dagger and so on and basically boils down to: Is a weapon created by a spell a Weapon? Or a Spell?

Cheers


I would say it depends on the type of spell.

If the spell creates something that does not require proficiency and attacks with a touch attack I would say it is a spell and cannot be increased. This is how Flame Blade works.

The Shadow Weapon creates a quasi-real item that is masterwork in quality and requires you to be proficient. I would say this IS a weapon and you could use the spell pool to increase it's effectiveness.

Just my two bits.

Liberty's Edge

A weapon created by a spell is a weapon. It can be used with the Magus abilities as well as with Arcane Strike. It requires proficiency, even if it makes touch attacks. Weapon Focus for the weapon it emulates will give it a +1 to hit, while Weapon Focus (touch spells) will not.

BTW, Flame Blade creates a weapon (a scimitar) and not merely a touch attack, which is the reason why a Druid cannot use it while in an animal's shape (except a monkey or ape).


Here's the key wording that makes it ok

"You may use this weapon to make attacks as if it were a real
weapon, dealing normal damage for a weapon of its type."

thus anything that applies to a real weapon can be applied to this

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