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I am wondering if their are any cities (or LARGE towns) in the works for Pathfinder - I would love to see one.
I think my favorite (Old) Rpg city had to be Sanctuary. Unfortunatly I lost it in a move so have not seen it in years. I would like really like to see something on that scale with more detail then that had.
Please lets hear thoughts and ideas for a good "Official" pathfinder city or Large town.
Arbarth
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Eleder got a write-up in Serpents Skull - I think it was in volume 2.
Lost Cities of Golarion also has city write-ups, but they are not cities most people would like to visit. The city maps are darned cool through, and you could always replace the monsters with civilised folk.
I'm probably going to use Ilvarandin as a follow up to my Night Below campaign.
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The "Guides" are developed cities. They're not a "story tour", they're 100% city descriptions, maps statblocks NPCs and whatanot.
I will have to admit I have not spent time to really look at them as I assumed (and we all know what they say about that - lol) that they were just "Guides". Well since ppl have been telling me otherwise I will have to spend some time this summer and look at them.
Arbarth
Old School GM
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There's also the Council of Thieves Adventure Path, which spends all six parts in the city of Westcrown. Over the course of those six volumes Westcrown becomes VERY detailed.
Same goes for Korvosa and the Curse of the Crimson Throne adventure path (although that one spends 2 of the 6 outside the city).
There's a LOT of city info in Rule of Fear, and there'll be more along those lines in the upcoming Lands of the Linnorm Kings.
The module "Carrion Hill" details the city of the same name quite a lot, and several volumes of the Carrion Crown adventure path do the same for other cities.
In fact... a subscription to the Adventure Path line is probably the best way to get a semi-constant stream of city information—we OFTEN do gazetteers of cities that show up in those.
In fact... a subscription to the Adventure Path line is probably the best way to get a semi-constant stream of city information—we OFTEN do gazetteers of cities that show up in those.
Shamless plug? Yes, but no less true for that.
Edit: Also, the DMG 2 from WOTC, has a decent write up for the city of Saltmarsh. But, that's not a Paizo product.
(figured I'd add something other than a snarky comment to the discusion)
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In fact... a subscription to the Adventure Path line is probably the best way to get a semi-constant stream of city information—we OFTEN do gazetteers of cities that show up in those.Shamless plug? Yes, but no less true for that.
Edit: Also, the DMG 2 from WOTC, has a decent write up for the city of Saltmarsh. But, that's not a Paizo product.
(figured I'd add something other than a snarky comment to the discusion)
HA! It sort of IS a Paizo product, since I was the one who decided that chapter should be about Saltmarsh and then wrote the chapter for the DMG2. :P
When I made this post I was not thinking of guides per say (even though these are nice), I was thinking of actually developed cities.
I'm not entirely sure what this means, or what you're actually looking for.
When I made this post I was not thinking of guides per say (even though these are nice), I was thinking of actually developed cities.
Just for reference. How do you define "guide" and "developed city".
What is a guide lacking?
The city books and articles Paizo has are guides to the city in the way an actual guide to an actual city would be: They tell you about the city's background and history, give you some general information (like population and type of government) and then describe city quarters and what you'll find there. You'll also be introduced to important personalities and organisations. There will be adventure hooks all over (though an actual, real life city guide will probably not call them that.)
They're usually not 200+ page hardcovers with every house described completely with the encounters therein, as Paizo usually leaves enough "white spaces" for GMs to introduce their own ideas and stuff, but you'll get a good idea about what the city in question looks and feels like.
I'd love to see "Volos" for Golarion!
I'd like to see the development team pick one city as Pathfinder's 'flagship' city to be revisited periodically with subsequent products, much like they did with Greyhawk or Waterdeep back in the day: big enough to be able to add a fair amount of detail, but still leave plenty of room for personal development.
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My only problem with Paizo's "City Books" are the limited page counts...
No, Ptolus did not spoil me (though that IS one heck of a city book to be sure)...
TSR actually spoiled me on those with their boxed sets and usually putting out more than one slim booklet for important cities...
And the reams of maps those boxed set came with!
Don't get me wrong, one look at my avatar and you'll see I subscribe to EVERYTHING Pathfinder (and have NO intention of stopping). It's just that I would really like to have more detail where cities are concerned...
-That One Digitalelf Fellow-
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My only problem with Paizo's "City Books" are the limited page counts...
No, Ptolus did not spoil me (though that IS one heck of a city book to be sure)...
TSR actually spoiled me on those with their boxed sets and usually putting out more than one slim booklet for important cities...
And the reams of maps those boxed set came with!
It's just that I would really like to have more detail where cities are concerned...
Well, keep in mind that Golarion as a campaign setting has only existed for a few years now. Most of the TSR/WotC settings you're probably comparing it to have existed for two to three decades. That means that they've had time to build up more history and details. Frankly, I think Golarion is growing at an absolutely astounding rate, far quicker than I remember any other setting growing. Not all of this growth is focused on the cities...but for some of us, that's OK, as we view generally cities/town as the place that adventurers hang out in between adventures.
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My only problem with Paizo's "City Books" are the limited page counts...
No, Ptolus did not spoil me (though that IS one heck of a city book to be sure)...
TSR actually spoiled me on those with their boxed sets and usually putting out more than one slim booklet for important cities...
And the reams of maps those boxed set came with!
Don't get me wrong, one look at my avatar and you'll see I subscribe to EVERYTHING Pathfinder (and have NO intention of stopping). It's just that I would really like to have more detail where cities are concerned...
-That One Digitalelf Fellow-
Might be worth remembering that TSR also pretty much went bankrupt...
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Might be worth remembering that TSR also pretty much went bankrupt...
Just stated what I like seeing in regards to cities is all (I like your various "city books" very much, I just prefer lots and lots of detail when it comes to cities)...
Like I said, I buy everything Pathfinder, and have no plans to change that habit...
Might be worth remembering that TSR also pretty much went bankrupt...Just stated what I like seeing in regards to cities is all (I like your various "city books" very much, I just prefer lots and lots of detail when it comes to cities)...
Like I said, I buy everything Pathfinder, and have no plans to change that habit...
I also have the various City books outlined above (and Kaer Maga wins it by a country mile), but I would LOVE to have a larger, more detailed product a la City of Greyhawk (box set or other guides too numerous to mention), or Ptolus or Waterdeep etc. I understand the limitations at the moment with regard to the standard product ranges, but I would snap up something like that without a thought. Or, if that's impractical, how about a series of gazetteers each detailing a different city quarter? Is anything like that even a distant twinkle in Paizo's eye, or is it a completely 'get on your horse and get outta town' suggestion?
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I also have the various City books outlined above (and Kaer Maga wins it by a country mile), but I would LOVE to have a larger, more detailed product a la City of Greyhawk (box set or other guides too numerous to mention), or Ptolus or Waterdeep etc. I understand the limitations at the moment with regard to the standard product ranges, but I would snap up something like that without a thought. Or, if that's impractical, how about a series of gazetteers each detailing a different city quarter? Is anything like that even a distant twinkle in Paizo's eye, or is it a completely 'get on your horse and get outta town' suggestion?Might be worth remembering that TSR also pretty much went bankrupt...Just stated what I like seeing in regards to cities is all (I like your various "city books" very much, I just prefer lots and lots of detail when it comes to cities)...
Like I said, I buy everything Pathfinder, and have no plans to change that habit...
Some day we will have at least one big giant city supplement out there. We're VERY interested in doing a product like that.
Some day we will have at least one big giant city supplement out there. We're VERY interested in doing a product like that.
Superb. Thank you James, that is music to my ears.
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It's gotta be Absalom, yes?!
No other legitimate possibilites exist.
If Paizo did a city in Cheliax or Taldor or Qadira (etc.) then they'd seemingly have to do that for the others.
Absalom, though, stands apart as the "Ptolus" (or Waterdeep or Greyhawk) of Golarion.
And they CAN'T do it for a city outside of the Inner Sea?!
Absalom, yes?
Goka seems positioned to be the "Absalom" of Tian Xia. But I suspect the original is the most likely to be written up as big book or boxed set.
It's gotta be Absalom, yes?!
No other legitimate possibilites exist.If Paizo did a city in Cheliax or Taldor or Qadira (etc.) then they'd seemingly have to do that for the others.
Absalom, though, stands apart as the "Ptolus" (or Waterdeep or Greyhawk) of Golarion.
And they CAN'T do it for a city outside of the Inner Sea?!
Absalom, yes?
+1 for Absalom!
+1 for Absalom!It's gotta be Absalom, yes?!
No other legitimate possibilites exist.If Paizo did a city in Cheliax or Taldor or Qadira (etc.) then they'd seemingly have to do that for the others.
Absalom, though, stands apart as the "Ptolus" (or Waterdeep or Greyhawk) of Golarion.
And they CAN'T do it for a city outside of the Inner Sea?!
Absalom, yes?
another +1 for Absolom