Regarding a Cleric5/Wizard3/Mystic Theurge1 with the Magical Knack(Cleric) Trait: The effective caster level for Cleric spells is 8 (5 Cleric + 1 Mystic Theurge + 2 Magical Knack(Cleric)). If I use Combined Spells to put a Magic Missile into one of my 2nd level Cleric slots...
1) Given that "(t)he components of these spells do not change, but they otherwise follow the rules for the spellcasting class used to cast the spell", is Magic Missile treated as if cast by my Cleric class (i.e. 4 missiles instead of 2)?
2) Since the components do not change, does that mean that the spell remains an arcane spell subject to arcane spell failure even though it is otherwise following the rules for my divine spellcasting class?
I think the answer to both questions is "yes", but wanted some external feedback before I discuss it with my Gamemaster (whose word will ultimately be law, but is a very reasonable guy whom I could convince with solid reasoning). I would LOVE a strong argument that Combined Spells could eliminate arcane spell failure, but I can't figure out any reason for the component comment except to specifically rule that out.
Thanks in advance!
Help?
Not sure what is and isn't acceptable around here for bumping your own threads, but I could really use some input if anyone is willing.
Components wouldn't change regardless of it being an arcane or a divine spell unless specifically stated otherwise. Arcane spell failure is a function of the spell being arcane -- since it is no longer arcane spell failure from armor is no longer a problem.
Since it is now being cast as a cleric spell it would use your cleric caster level.
Components wouldn't change regardless of it being an arcane or a divine spell unless specifically stated otherwise. Arcane spell failure is a function of the spell being arcane -- since it is no longer arcane spell failure from armor is no longer a problem.
Since it is now being cast as a cleric spell it would use your cleric caster level.
I like the way you think. How would you answer an argument that the spell keeps its arcane somatic component even if it is being cast as a divine spell and thus has an arcane spell failure chance?
I like the way you think. How would you answer an argument that the spell keeps its arcane somatic component even if it is being cast as a divine spell and thus has an arcane spell failure chance?Components wouldn't change regardless of it being an arcane or a divine spell unless specifically stated otherwise. Arcane spell failure is a function of the spell being arcane -- since it is no longer arcane spell failure from armor is no longer a problem.
Since it is now being cast as a cleric spell it would use your cleric caster level.
With a deadpan look and the words, "Really?"
Components are not arcane or divine. Show me a place that says otherwise. All spells have components these components do not change the spell from arcane or divine.
Arcane and Divine are not components -- they are types of spells.
Spell type hierarchy would be like this:
Source
School
Subschool
Discriptors
Arcane or Divine is the source of the spell. Not the component of the spell.
Excellent. Thanks much for the detailed explanation!