Bardic performance would be broken by RAW then.
"Starting a bardic performance is a standard action, but it can be maintained each round as a free action."
How can it be maintained if it just ended as the turn began?
Bardic performance would be broken by RAW then.
"Starting a bardic performance is a standard action, but it can be maintained each round as a free action."
How can it be maintained if it just ended as the turn began?
It never gives a specific duration like the 1 round abilities do. At the beginning of your turn you can choose to end it or let it continue. If you choose to end it then that round does not count as a use.
It never gives a specific duration like the 1 round abilities do. At the beginning of your turn you can choose to end it or let it continue. If you choose to end it then that round does not count as a use.Bardic performance would be broken by RAW then.
"Starting a bardic performance is a standard action, but it can be maintained each round as a free action."
How can it be maintained if it just ended as the turn began?
The sheer amount of red herrings spawned by this RAW is yet another reason I house ruled it for streamlined play. If the house rule was imbalanced or OP I could see a justifiable case for RAW, as it is, it is superfluous minutiae.
Not even as a red herring..
Adam wants to say that it ends exactly one round later, which is the begining of your turn according to him.
However, unless you are a time mage and can go before you go, the effect was either applied at the middle or end of your turn, not at the start. Ergo, the effect.. to be a whole round effect, would need to either end at the middle of your turn after your first action or the end of your turn for the second action.
There for, if you want to be really particular about it, if the hex is used after a move action, then it would be at the end of your turn.
If you used it as the first action, it would be in the middle of your turn.
Why is it not applied to the start of the action though? because if it was applied at the start of the action and say you used a spell that lowered saves by 2 for one round, to apply it at the start of the action would mean that with no other special rules applied, you would have to make the enemy suffer -2 for the roll that is suppose to stop the -2, unless they didn.. and then bill and ted pop out of a phone booth. And nobody wants that.
Not even as a red herring..
Adam wants to say that it ends exactly one round later, which is the begining of your turn according to him.
However, unless you are a time mage and can go before you go, the effect was either applied at the middle or end of your turn, not at the start. Ergo, the effect.. to be a whole round effect, would need to either end at the middle of your turn after your first action or the end of your turn for the second action.
There for, if you want to be really particular about it, if the hex is used after a move action, then it would be at the end of your turn.
If you used it as the first action, it would be in the middle of your turn.
Why is it not applied to the start of the action though? because if it was applied at the start of the action and say you used a spell that lowered saves by 2 for one round, to apply it at the start of the action would mean that with no other special rules applied, you would have to make the enemy suffer -2 for the roll that is suppose to stop the -2, unless they didn.. and then bill and ted pop out of a phone booth. And nobody wants that.
If they ever release an updated edition (note: I'm NOT asking for one, just a hypothetical, house rules > new editions) of PF, I anticipate the current RAW to go the way of weapon speed for the plethora of reasons covered in this thread. If not, it will be one of those RAW's house ruled into obsolescence, for the same reasons, by the majority of DM's.
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you would have to make the enemy suffer -2 for the roll that is suppose to stop the -2, unless they didn.. and then bill and ted pop out of a phone booth. And nobody wants that.
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I think having Bill S. Preston, Esq. and Ted 'Theodore' Logan around would undoubtedly make for a most excellent adventure.