Hey folks
I was wondering what your interpretation of the following would be.
(The relevant spells for your convenience)
Clashing rocks Prismatic wall
Say I'm fighting a balor.
First I cast prismatic wall right behind the target.
Next I cast clashing rocks, such that the rocks come from behind the prismatic wall and in front of the balor
As illustrated
X is empty space, W is prismatic wall, B is balor
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now add the Clashing rocks:
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Now the rocks behind the wall would hit the wall and disintegrate, but the rocks in front of the balor would hit it dead on, and considering their +28 bonus on str checks, would they then be able to push balor into the prismatic wall?
If yes, what if the balor makes it reflex save? it says it still gets hit by the rocks in the spell
The rocks do not appear to push anything. They just crash into the target and do damage. Consider clashing rocks not to be singular massive chunks that push along the path but roiling masses of smaller boulders and rocks rolling together and crushing things in the way without pushing them.
The rocks do not appear to push anything. They just crash into the target and do damage. Consider clashing rocks not to be singular massive chunks that push along the path but roiling masses of smaller boulders and rocks rolling together and crushing things in the way without pushing them.
It is true that the spell says nothing about pushing, which I believe lies more in the fact that it is expected that both sides of the clashing rocks will hit, and hence the pushing will negate each other.
They do go out of the way and say that should the rocks hit any solid barrier they will try to burst through with a +28 str bonus.
It is true that the spell says nothing about pushing, which I believe lies more in the fact that it is expected that both sides of the clashing rocks will hit, and hence the pushing will negate each other.
They do go out of the way and say that should the rocks hit any solid barrier they will try to burst through with a +28 str bonus.
That's true. The writers can't foresee every possible situation a spell might be used for. It is reasonable to assume that in your situation rocks might push the Balor into the wall but that situation was not considered and as such it's not supported in the spell rules.
I would rule that this part of the spell's effect is due to a single rock passing you:
Creatures other than the target that occupy the spaces where the clashing rocks appear or within their path (30 feet wide, 30 feet high, and up to 60 feet long) must also make Reflex saves or take 10d6 points of bludgeoning damage and be knocked prone (save for half and remain standing).
And this part of the spell's effect is due to the collision of two rocks:
A creature struck by the clashing rocks takes 20d6 points of bludgeoning damage and is knocked prone. If the target fails a Reflex Saving Throw, it is also buried under the resulting rubble as if by a cave-in.
If there is only one rock, I would say the balor is affected by the first italicized bit, and not the second italicized bit.
No further interpretation is needed- you want it to say it bull rushes someone and it doesn't.
Use one of the new wave spells to push that Balor into it instead ;).
Or just go old school and telekinesis the Balor into the wall.
Or just go old school and telekinesis the Balor into the wall.No further interpretation is needed- you want it to say it bull rushes someone and it doesn't.
Use one of the new wave spells to push that Balor into it instead ;).
This ^
Or summon something big enough to bull rush it. Or Forceful Hand. Or my personal favorite Slide from the old Miniatures handbook (heightened, of course)
Summon a woolly rhinoceros and tell it to charge the Baylor into the wall.
Quit whining about Attacks of Opportunity and size limits and bull rush the balor yourself, you lazy pen-pusher!