Burning Disarm and Bouncing Spell

[Ekkias]

While deciding on spells for a new level 4 sorceror, I came across Burning Disarm, which says the target of the spell must succeed at a Reflex save to drop their weapon to avoid taking any damage.

This got me wondering, if I tagged Bouncing Spell (metamagic) onto the Burning Disarm, does that mean once my original target drops their weapon, the spell would bounce to another target?

When combined with the Magical Lineage trait, that seems abusively awesome for a low level caster. Anyone know if that interaction is correct, or am I missing something?

Muchos!
-Will

[Austin Morgan]

No, Bouncing Spell only kicks in if the original target passes his save and takes NO effect from the spell.

[Benchak the Nightstalker]

"Benefit: Whenever a bouncing spell targeting a single creature has no effect on its intended target (whether due to spell resistance or a successful saving throw) you may, as a swift action, redirect it to target another eligible creature within range."

Burning disarm can't be made into a Bouncing Spell. Burning disarm targets objects, whereas Bouncing Spell only affects spells that target creatures.

Even you could apply Bouncing Spell to burning disarm, you'd still run into the problem of the second part I bolded, where Bouncing Spell only comes into play when the spell fails to affect its intended target.

Whether or not the creature holding the item makes it's save, burning disarm successfully affects its target (the held object), so it wouldn't bounce.

[Ekkias]

Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:

Burning disarm can't be made into a Bouncing Spell. Burning disarm targets objects, whereas Bouncing Spell only affects spells that target creatures.

Whether or not the creature holding the item makes it's save, burning disarm successfully affects its target (the held object), so it wouldn't bounce.

Thanks Benchak. That makes very obvious sense. Darn.

Are there any low level spell combos a sorcerer can get to help him survive?

Thanks again for the help.
-Will

[Magicdealer]

How low?

Sleep + expeditious retreat low? :D

[joeyfixit]

I've seen a 1st-level bard work wonders with Silent Image. The image of an undead dragon hovering above their heads is fairly likely to get a group of thugs to drop their weapons and run.

Color Spray works on multiple targets w/out bouncing. Mage Armor might help you survive.

[SmiloDan]

joeyfixit wrote:

Don't forget Color Spray. And Mage Armor might help you survive.

Color Spray AT LEAST stuns, and stunned folk drop what they have in their mitts, so it potentially disarms several mooks.