So, for reasons that may or may not constitute spoilers, reading through Trial of the Beast has me wondering exactly what options there really are for single-class alchemists to create golems, given their formula list doesn't exactly allow for the sorts of required spells.
With a proper Golem Manual it can be done, technically, but is that it? Or is the answer "Wait till Ultimate Magic comes out?"
So, for reasons that may or may not constitute spoilers, reading through Trial of the Beast has me wondering exactly what options there really are for single-class alchemists to create golems, given their formula list doesn't exactly allow for the sorts of required spells.
With a proper Golem Manual it can be done, technically, but is that it? Or is the answer "Wait till Ultimate Magic comes out?"
Alchemist's has use magic device as a class skill and can use wands and scrolls to supply the necessary spells. They can also increase the craft DC to avoid some of the requirements as with all item creation feats.
Alchemist's has use magic device as a class skill and can use wands and scrolls to supply the necessary spells. They can also increase the craft DC to avoid some of the requirements as with all item creation feats.So, for reasons that may or may not constitute spoilers, reading through Trial of the Beast has me wondering exactly what options there really are for single-class alchemists to create golems, given their formula list doesn't exactly allow for the sorts of required spells.
With a proper Golem Manual it can be done, technically, but is that it? Or is the answer "Wait till Ultimate Magic comes out?"
There is one conundrum that alchemists have to take Master Craftsman to take any item creation feats, and it only works with Craft Wondrous Item and Craft Magic Arms and Armor, but not with Craft Construct. So technically they can't craft golems at all.
There is one conundrum that alchemists have to take Master Craftsman to take any item creation feats, and it only works with Craft Wondrous Item and Craft Magic Arms and Armor, but not with Craft Construct. So technically they can't craft golems at all.Alchemist's has use magic device as a class skill and can use wands and scrolls to supply the necessary spells. They can also increase the craft DC to avoid some of the requirements as with all item creation feats.So, for reasons that may or may not constitute spoilers, reading through Trial of the Beast has me wondering exactly what options there really are for single-class alchemists to create golems, given their formula list doesn't exactly allow for the sorts of required spells.
With a proper Golem Manual it can be done, technically, but is that it? Or is the answer "Wait till Ultimate Magic comes out?"
Why can't he choose item creation feats? He has a caster level with his extracts and that's all that's required.
Why can't he choose item creation feats? He has a caster level with his extracts and that's all that's required.There is one conundrum that alchemists have to take Master Craftsman to take any item creation feats, and it only works with Craft Wondrous Item and Craft Magic Arms and Armor, but not with Craft Construct. So technically they can't craft golems at all.Alchemist's has use magic device as a class skill and can use wands and scrolls to supply the necessary spells. They can also increase the craft DC to avoid some of the requirements as with all item creation feats.So, for reasons that may or may not constitute spoilers, reading through Trial of the Beast has me wondering exactly what options there really are for single-class alchemists to create golems, given their formula list doesn't exactly allow for the sorts of required spells.
With a proper Golem Manual it can be done, technically, but is that it? Or is the answer "Wait till Ultimate Magic comes out?"
Because technically, extracts aren't spells. Even though they behave just like spells. The Alchemist casts no spells. >.<
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There is one conundrum that alchemists have to take Master Craftsman to take any item creation feats, and it only works with Craft Wondrous Item and Craft Magic Arms and Armor, but not with Craft Construct. So technically they can't craft golems at all.
I have never got why Craft Construct is in the Bestiary and not in the main rulebook.
Seeing that the prerequisite are: Caster level 5th, Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Craft Wondrous Item I would allow it as a feat for people with the master craftsman.Note the thee under Alchemist it say:
Alchemy (Su): Alchemists are not only masters of creating mundane alchemical substances such as alchemist's fire and smokesticks, but also of fashioning magical potion-like extracts in which they can store spell effects. In effect, an alchemist prepares his spells by mixing ingredients into a number of extracts, and then “casts” his spells by drinking the extract.
so by that description alchemists are considered spell casters.
Unless I have missed a specific rule somewhere they can take all item creation feats.
Note the thee under Alchemist it say:
Alchemy (Su): Alchemists are not only masters of creating mundane alchemical substances such as alchemist's fire and smokesticks, but also of fashioning magical potion-like extracts in which they can store spell effects. In effect, an alchemist prepares his spells by mixing ingredients into a number of extracts, and then “casts” his spells by drinking the extract.
so by that description alchemists are considered spell casters.
Unless I have missed a specific rule somewhere they can take all item creation feats.
Also under the alchemist it says "Although the alchemist dosen't actually cast spells,"
At the end of the same paragraph (top of APG pg 27) it states that "The alchemist uses his level as the caster level to determine any effect based on caster level"
That to me pretty clearly states that he doesn't actualy have a caster level just a class ability that works much like one. This is further coraberated by the fact that the master chymist states that at certain levels it gains an increased effective caster level rather than a real caster level.
and since caster levels are prerequisites for creation feats *shrug*
I think perhaps the quotes around the word casts are meant to indicate that the alchemists dosen't actualy cast magic but works mechanicaly the same way.
Of course YMMV but I think that's where the idea that alchemists are ineligable for item creation feats comes from.
Torger
I irks me that a magic using class can't reap the benefits of being a magic user... alchemists use magic. Check. But they can't craft magic because they aren't spellcatsers? Even though they cast spells in bottled form... this needs to be fixed.
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The alchemist can't cast spells but the potions themselves are magical, they're essentially bottled spells. But there is a precident fo assuming and alchemist can make golems. Out of the two most famous golems in modern knowledge one is alchemic.
The golem of Praug was a divinely created golem using the word of God. But Frankenstein, though not explicitly detailed, was likely done through serums and potions. Victor Frankenstein was a doctor after all, a man of medicine. The use of electricity in Frankenstein (sort of arcane spellcasting) was first introduced in a poem much later on. So at least there is some potential reasoning behind it.
You don't need to be able to cast spells to take item creation feats you only need to have a caster level so technically creatures with spell-like abilities could also qualify for them.