LordZod
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I'll preface this all by saying I'm almost brand new to pathfinder, but I wasn't able to find a confirmation of this in the rules.
My understanding is that Channel Energy is a supernatural ability, and as such it will be treated as magic but *not* as a spell. Therefore metamagic abilities would not affect channel energy, so it is not possible to use Quicken or Empower on Channel Energy.
It's also my understanding that there is no Society approved translation for Divine Metamagic, and as such Channel Energy cannot be expended to lower the cost of a metamagic feat that is applied to a spell. Am I correct about these two assumptions?
More or less I've made a cleric and I'm trying to maximize the amount of healing I can do. So far I haven't really found any feats that will help me maximize healing, and nothing that will be genuinely useful except the Healing Domain level 6 power and the Phylactery of Channel Positive Energy (is this Society approved?).
ryric
RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32
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More or less I've made a cleric and I'm trying to maximize the amount of healing I can do. So far I haven't really found any feats that will help me maximize healing, and nothing that will be genuinely useful except the Healing Domain level 6 power and the Phylactery of Channel Positive Energy (is this Society approved?).
If you haven't actually started your cleric yet, you might want to consider playing a life oracle instead. They can get quite a few class abilities that help with healing.
Andrew Christian
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If I recall correctly, there are several feats that modify channeling and/or enhance channeling.
Channel Smite, Elemental Channel, Extra Channel, Improved Channel, & Selective Channeling.
For a healing cleric, Extra Channel would give you more channels per day, and Selective Channeling lets you choose whom to hit in your area of effect. Both helpful so that you don't heal your foes or injure your undead allies.
caubocalypse
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But you can only take Extra Channel once.
Is there any plans to do the channel substitution for metamagics? i.e.-burning channels to metamagic a spell.
I was unaware that you could only take Extra Channel once. For some reason I thought it worked just like all the other "Extra" feats. Hero Lab never corrected me either...
LordZod
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I just can't wait for the first time I can cast a Selective Spell Fireball on my healbot Cleric w/ Fire Domain and Magical Lineage (Fireball) and ruin the GM's fun. The best part is it will still be a level 3 spell. Build otherwise entitled how to have respectable AoE healing with party-friendly area effect damage. And it was all made possible by Phylactery of Channel Positive energy.
Yes, I am infact a horrible person.
Scribbling Rambler
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I just can't wait for the first time I can cast a Selective Spell Fireball on my healbot Cleric w/ Fire Domain and Magical Lineage (Fireball) and ruin the GM's fun. The best part is it will still be a level 3 spell. Build otherwise entitled how to have respectable AoE healing with party-friendly area effect damage. And it was all made possible by Phylactery of Channel Positive energy.
Yes, I am infact a horrible person.
Sounds like fun!
Of course, you would have to be 10th level to get that combo (or actually, 11th when you get a feat). By then, your fireball is maxed out.
Shieldknight
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Shieldknight wrote:I was unaware that you could only take Extra Channel once. For some reason I thought it worked just like all the other "Extra" feats. Hero Lab never corrected me either...But you can only take Extra Channel once.
Is there any plans to do the channel substitution for metamagics? i.e.-burning channels to metamagic a spell.
It's the only "Extra" feat that doesn't have the Special heading of being able to take it multiple times. Our group has looked at this and all the errata and it hasn't changed. Since it doesn't have the special ability of taking multiple times, it therefore must be meant to be taken only once.
I'll gladly step aside and stand corrected if I'm wrong, but that's the way we have interpreted it.| LtlBtyRam |
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Joseph Caubo wrote:Shieldknight wrote:I was unaware that you could only take Extra Channel once. For some reason I thought it worked just like all the other "Extra" feats. Hero Lab never corrected me either...But you can only take Extra Channel once.
Is there any plans to do the channel substitution for metamagics? i.e.-burning channels to metamagic a spell.
It's the only "Extra" feat that doesn't have the Special heading of being able to take it multiple times. Our group has looked at this and all the errata and it hasn't changed. Since it doesn't have the special ability of taking multiple times, it therefore must be meant to be taken only once.
I'll gladly step aside and stand corrected if I'm wrong, but that's the way we have interpreted it.
Our group too is wondering on this very topic. It seems a bit odd that "Extra Channel" is the only Extra feat in the core rulebook and APG which doesn't specify you can take it more than once. I hope this is an over sight.
teribithia9
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Shieldknight wrote:Our group too is wondering on this very topic. It seems a bit odd that "Extra Channel" is the only Extra feat in the core rulebook and APG which doesn't specify you can take it more than once. I hope this is an over sight.Joseph Caubo wrote:Shieldknight wrote:I was unaware that you could only take Extra Channel once. For some reason I thought it worked just like all the other "Extra" feats. Hero Lab never corrected me either...But you can only take Extra Channel once.
Is there any plans to do the channel substitution for metamagics? i.e.-burning channels to metamagic a spell.
It's the only "Extra" feat that doesn't have the Special heading of being able to take it multiple times. Our group has looked at this and all the errata and it hasn't changed. Since it doesn't have the special ability of taking multiple times, it therefore must be meant to be taken only once.
I'll gladly step aside and stand corrected if I'm wrong, but that's the way we have interpreted it.
I don't think it is an oversight, unfortunately. The question's been asked in at least 6 or 7 places since the first edition of the core rulebook. There've been three printings of the book and it's never been changed or errated. My guess is that it's intentional and not an oversight. (I've noticed Paizo staff tend to not answer a question when they think the answer is obvious.)
I'm glad someone brought this up, though--because I hadn't noticed the wording on the feat either and probably never would have. I play a healbot cleric, so this was a wake up call. I think it was Shield Knight who originally said it? Thanks, Shield Knight!
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I don't think it is an oversight, unfortunately. The question's been asked in at least 6 or 7 places since the first edition of the core rulebook.
If there is a definittive ruling on this could you point us to the forum thread please. I admit my search fu is not the greatest, but I have looked. I have not found anywhere that says yea or nay, just that is has been brought up several times.
teribithia9
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teribithia9 wrote:If there is a definittive ruling on this could you point us to the forum thread please. I admit my search fu is not the greatest, but I have looked. I have not found anywhere that says yea or nay, just that is has been brought up several times.
I don't think it is an oversight, unfortunately. The question's been asked in at least 6 or 7 places since the first edition of the core rulebook.
As I said above, I've noticed Paizo staff tend to not answer a question when they think the answer is obvious. I haven't seen a paizo staffer answer this question any of the times it's been asked (including this thread). That, and the fact that it has never been changed in three printings of the book, leads me to believe they think that the answer is obvious. (It's not an oversight--they really intend you to only be able to take it once.)
Decorus
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If you could take it mutiple times, human clerics would be the ultimate low-level healbots. They already introduced channel energy as a means of healing so as to free up clerical spells for things other than healing. Making this feat stackable goes waay too far the other way.
Apparently Ultimate Magic is adding a Quicken Channel feat to make Channeling even better:)
teribithia9
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TwoWolves wrote:Apparently Ultimate Magic is adding a Quicken Channel feat to make Channeling even better:)
If you could take it mutiple times, human clerics would be the ultimate low-level healbots. They already introduced channel energy as a means of healing so as to free up clerical spells for things other than healing. Making this feat stackable goes waay too far the other way.
Of COURSE they are (since my cleric is leveling out of PFS next month!). Guess I have to make my life oracle, now, huh?
LordZod
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My guess is that in case something like DMM ever gets a PF version, that they want to keep a soft-cap on the limit of daily channels to avoid a rebirth of Codzilla. Quicken Channel needed to happen, hopefully we'll get an Empower Channel or Maximize Channel as well.
Just the same couldn't any Life Oracle (with the Channel Energy revelation) also take any of the channeling feats? I'd assume that for pre-requisites sake this counts as having the Class Feature.
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My guess is that in case something like DMM ever gets a PF version, that they want to keep a soft-cap on the limit of daily channels to avoid a rebirth of Codzilla. Quicken Channel needed to happen, hopefully we'll get an Empower Channel or Maximize Channel as well.
Just the same couldn't any Life Oracle (with the Channel Energy revelation) also take any of the channeling feats? I'd assume that for pre-requisites sake this counts as having the Class Feature.
You think that Quicken, Empower and Maximize was the worse the CoDzilla could do? I tell you only this: Persistent Spell just before sleeping.
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Clericzilla wasn't so OP if you had the kind of DM that liked to have monsters dispel buffs or invoke antimagic fields. Or you know, have a beholder arbitrarily come along.
He still had to beat the cleric's caster level, and a good player could boost his caster level to a really high number. Beholders are iconic, but after looking at their save DC's a few weeks ago they are not all that tough.
teribithia9
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My guess is that in case something like DMM ever gets a PF version, that they want to keep a soft-cap on the limit of daily channels to avoid a rebirth of Codzilla. Quicken Channel needed to happen, hopefully we'll get an Empower Channel or Maximize Channel as well.
Just the same couldn't any Life Oracle (with the Channel Energy revelation) also take any of the channeling feats? I'd assume that for pre-requisites sake this counts as having the Class Feature.
Any life oracle that takes the channel energy revelation, yes. That's my plan. Just haven't actually played her yet. I'm going to miss having 8d6 for channels...