What or where is the kyton subtype?


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I've been looking on the web and through the books but I can't find what the subtype gives kytons and since there's only the one example I can find it's been really hard to figure out what the subtype does for it. Thanks for any help you can provide.


Atamis wrote:
I've been looking on the web and through the books but I can't find what the subtype gives kytons and since there's only the one example I can find it's been really hard to figure out what the subtype does for it. Thanks for any help you can provide.

The kyton is a type of outsider. It does not really have anything special unless the DM decides to make a new version. They remind me of pinhead, and from the description of them a super powerful one might have similar powers.


To clarify my problem is that there is a Kyton Subtype after the Outsider Type and that the subtype is not included in the Bestiary under subtypes.

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The last issue of Council of Thieves has another kyton in it. The kyton subtype seems to grant the following abilities:

Chain Armor
Immunity to cold
DR/silver
Regeneration

The DR may just be a trend, ala the DR types of demons, devils, etc rather than being actively part of the type.


Atamis wrote:
To clarify my problem is that there is a Kyton Subtype after the Outsider Type and that the subtype is not included in the Bestiary under subtypes.

It seems since they took the subtype away from being a devil it does not get anything else other than what is in the initial kyton monster entry. Of course it is also possible that they forgot to give it anything special. I would suggest hitting the FAQ button.

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Until we actually start significantly expanding the kyton race (the kyton from Council of Thieves being our first experimental step in that direction), the kyton subtype isn't really something we've nailed down. Demiurge 1138's analysis is pretty spot on, though.

Whatever we end up doing, in any event—all of the traits granted by the kyton subtype are already present in the kyton's current writeup. Since she's all alone at this time in the hardcover books, there's no real need for a separate subtype entry, especially since all of the relevant rules are built right into her stat block.

Listing "Kyton" as one of the monster's subtypes is more of a sneak preview than anything else, in other words.


James Jacobs wrote:

Until we actually start significantly expanding the kyton race (the kyton from Council of Thieves being our first experimental step in that direction), the kyton subtype isn't really something we've nailed down. Demiurge 1138's analysis is pretty spot on, though.

Whatever we end up doing, in any event—all of the traits granted by the kyton subtype are already present in the kyton's current writeup. Since she's all alone at this time in the hardcover books, there's no real need for a separate subtype entry, especially since all of the relevant rules are built right into her stat block.

Listing "Kyton" as one of the monster's subtypes is more of a sneak preview than anything else, in other words.

Thank you so much for replying to my question. I thought I might have just been going crazy and couldn't find it. I'm looking forward to seeing more of this creature in the future. Once again Thank you!


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James Jacobs wrote:
Listing "Kyton" as one of the monster's subtypes is more of a sneak preview than anything else, in other words.

So, does that mean Bestiary 3 is around the corner, or are you doing a "Fiend Folio"-type book?

Regardless, I'm certainly looking forward to more information on kytons, divs, demodands, oni, and all the other outsider races you've yet to produce a lot of content for. Consider any books detailing such topics already bought :)

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