Did anyone else read this with Jerry Seinfeld's voice in their heads?
You read my mind
APG fixed the Barbarian.
Guess I better read APG some more. I didn't really look over the barbarian section much yet.
APG fixed the Barbarian.Guess I better read APG some more. I didn't really look over the barbarian section much yet.
I just looked at barbarians (APG and Core) seriously for the first time last night as I converted a NPC over from a 3.5 module. There's definitely a lot of good options in the APG, and I can see how they'd feel underpowered in Core-only - It's not so much that they're weaker, as they didn't have the same depth in any one type of ability to match classes like the Fighter or Ranger that get stacking bonuses in whatever they're good with. But APG definitely helps with that.
I think of all the classes, the barbarian benefits most from the APG. Some of those rage powers are amazing, especially the Beast Totem powers. I made a Brutal Pugilist barbarian for a game and while I eventually switched to a wizard (3 melee characters, it was going to lead to competition and leaving somebody feeling unnecessary), he was great at tumbling through enemy lines and grappling the boss down while the other barbarian and cavalier wiped out the rest.
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For a player character, the new Raging Vitality feat is the real winner for me. An extra HP per HD while raging, and a solution to the 'negative HP= Dead' problem of Barbarians (without the nasty endurance/diehard feat tax).
The new rage powers also really improve the class. I'm a huge fan of flesh wound :).
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What's the deal with Barbarians? Where does all that rage come from? You'd think disemboweling orcs would be therapeutic, but it just seems to make them angrier! You disembowel more orcs, you go up in level, yadda yadda yadda - you rage even more! I really don't see the attraction. You'd think they could just have a beer and mellow out... but then drinking seems to set these guys off, too! You ever walk into a tavern with a barbarian and NOT have the evening end in a fight? Is there anything that WON'T set them off? It's like going into a frothing rage is their answer to everything!
Are the orcs invading? RAAAAGE! Evil wizard with a doomsday device? RAAAAGE! Parking Ticket? RAAAAGE!
"I'm sorry Mister Cohen, it's after eleven, we're no longer serving breakfast."
"RAAAAAAGE!"
Personally I don't think anyone with those kind of anger issues should be allowed anywhere near an axe.
/Seinfeld
What's the deal with Barbarians? Where does all that rage come from? You'd think disemboweling orcs would be therapeutic, but it just seems to make them angrier! You disembowel more orcs, you go up in level, yadda yadda yadda - you rage even more! I really don't see the attraction. You'd think they could just have a beer and mellow out... but then drinking seems to set these guys off, too! You ever walk into a tavern with a barbarian and NOT have the evening end in a fight? Is there anything that WON'T set them off? It's like going into a frothing rage is their answer to everything!
Are the orcs invading? RAAAAGE! Evil wizard with a doomsday device? RAAAAGE! Parking Ticket? RAAAAGE!
"I'm sorry Mister Cohen, it's after eleven, we're no longer serving breakfast."
"RAAAAAAGE!"
Personally I don't think anyone with those kind of anger issues should be allowed anywhere near an axe.
/Seinfeld
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I think seinfeld pretty much ran away with this thread from the start.
Am I the only one who thinks the class is misnamed?
Berserker fits better IMO.
A Barbarian (well in my mind anyway) is a variant on a race.
IE:
barbaric or wild
versus
civilized or urbanized
here is the classes real name
The Incredible Hulk
another pair of concepts you can sort of represent with a little tweaking
Beatrix Kiddo
Kenpachi Zaraki
a third concept that is harder to pull off without DM permission, fluff overhaul, and proper race/rage power selection
Ibuki Suika.
what the class poorly represents
Miyomoto Musashi.
what the class cannot represent whatsoever
Miyaka Yuki.
characters with maybe a splash of barbarian
Naruto Uzumaki
Porthos
What's the deal with Barbarians? Where does all that rage come from? You'd think disemboweling orcs would be therapeutic, but it just seems to make them angrier! You disembowel more orcs, you go up in level, yadda yadda yadda - you rage even more! I really don't see the attraction. You'd think they could just have a beer and mellow out... but then drinking seems to set these guys off, too! You ever walk into a tavern with a barbarian and NOT have the evening end in a fight? Is there anything that WON'T set them off? It's like going into a frothing rage is their answer to everything!
Are the orcs invading? RAAAAGE! Evil wizard with a doomsday device? RAAAAGE! Parking Ticket? RAAAAGE!
"I'm sorry Mister Cohen, it's after eleven, we're no longer serving breakfast."
"RAAAAAAGE!"
Personally I don't think anyone with those kind of anger issues should be allowed anywhere near an axe.
/Seinfeld
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I... I think I'm dying here.
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Am I the only one who thinks the class is misnamed?
Berserker fits better IMO.
Except that the Rage class ability isn't really very 'berserk' these days - you pretty much have precise control to turn it on and off, no chance to mindlessly attack your friends, etc.. All of which is good stuff, since it doesn't limit Barbarians to a single character stereotype, but represents a whole host of different concepts of 'physical power through inner strength'.
Except that the Rage class ability isn't really very 'berserk' these days - you pretty much have precise control to turn it on and off, no chance to mindlessly attack your friends, etc.. All of which is good stuff, since it doesn't limit Barbarians to a single character stereotype, but represents a whole host of different concepts of 'physical power through inner strength'.Am I the only one who thinks the class is misnamed?
Berserker fits better IMO.
Rager is an apter name now, because the savage elements were stripped out and rage is the focus of the class. "Barbarian" no longer makes sense because the "barbarian" is...not a barbarian.
Conan the Rager?!?
BY CROM NO!!!
here is the classes real name
The Incredible Hulk
Thats really funny. I was talking to a friend about master chymist and how it is basically a spellcasting barbarian and how both can do Incredible Hulk. In the end, he was like "no they ain't. Barb doesn't go green."
He was not a civilised man...
At least he knew the dewy decimal system.
Did anyone else read this with Jerry Seinfeld's voice in their heads?
Didjya ever notice that Alorha reads the threads hearing voices.
I was StrongBad!
Greg :)
Thats really funny. I was talking to a friend about master chymist and how it is basically a spellcasting barbarian and how both can do Incredible Hulk. In the end, he was like "no they ain't. Barb doesn't go green."
I very much see the Alchemist as Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde (or the Incredible Hulk one his more intelligent days).
Did anyone else read this with Jerry Seinfeld's voice in their heads?
Me too, I add "what are they so angry about, guess if I had to take all the hits i be pretty angry too"
or some other bad joke
At least he knew the dewy decimal system.
No, you're thinking of Conan the Librarian.
At least he knew the dewy decimal system.
Is this a UHF reference? If so, you good sir or maam, have indeed won the internet.
No, you're thinking of Conan the Librarian.
At least he knew the dewy decimal system.
Everyone needs a day job. Can just be all war all the time.
Is this a UHF reference? If so, you good sir or maam, have indeed won the internet.
At least he knew the dewy decimal system.
I win internet :D
What's the deal with Barbarians? Where does all that rage come from? You'd think disemboweling orcs would be therapeutic, but it just seems to make them angrier! You disembowel more orcs, you go up in level, yadda yadda yadda - you rage even more! I really don't see the attraction. You'd think they could just have a beer and mellow out... but then drinking seems to set these guys off, too! You ever walk into a tavern with a barbarian and NOT have the evening end in a fight? Is there anything that WON'T set them off? It's like going into a frothing rage is their answer to everything!
Are the orcs invading? RAAAAGE! Evil wizard with a doomsday device? RAAAAGE! Parking Ticket? RAAAAGE!
"I'm sorry Mister Cohen, it's after eleven, we're no longer serving breakfast."
"RAAAAAAGE!"
Personally I don't think anyone with those kind of anger issues should be allowed anywhere near an axe.
/Seinfeld
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