I am currently playing a 9th lvl celestial blooded sorcer, I just got my wings of hevean ability and am quite excited to fly around and cast spells, My GM told me that he considers flying a "vigorous actvity" and will require me to make Concentration checks to cast while using my Wings ablity.
I have GM'd several lower level games and have not run into this myself,but I feel like this is wrong and I am not sure how to broach the subject to him,
Any advice? either on how to talk to him about it, or if the ruleing he is making is correct or not?
thanks
I am currently playing a 9th lvl celestial blooded sorcer, I just got my wings of hevean ability and am quite excited to fly around and cast spells, My GM told me that he considers flying a "vigorous actvity" and will require me to make Concentration checks to cast while using my Wings ablity.
I have GM'd several lower level games and have not run into this myself,but I feel like this is wrong and I am not sure how to broach the subject to him,
Any advice? either on how to talk to him about it, or if the ruleing he is making is correct or not?
thanks
I assume your ability works like the fly spell with the wings just being for show. The fly spell specifically states that it "requires no more concentration than walking so the subject can cast spells normally."
Show him in the ability where it works like the fly spell then show him that line in the spell description. If he further object than he's just being difficult.
I just looked up the ability. It doesn't specifically say it works like the spell. So he can call it vigorous activity if he wants.
As a sorcerer your primary ability is to spellcast. This flight comes from the magic of your bloodline. I would rule that it works like magical flight.
He's in his rights to call it vigorous activity, but my personal opinion is that if it were "vigorous activity" it would be called such in the description of the ability.
I just looked up the ability. It doesn't specifically say it works like the spell. So he can call it vigorous activity if he wants.
As a sorcerer your primary ability is to spellcast. This flight comes from the magic of your bloodline. I would rule that it works like magical flight.
He's in his rights to call it vigorous activity, but my personal opinion is that if it were "vigorous activity" it would be called such in the description of the ability.
He's definitely within his right. Just remind him of his decision when he has that dragon/demon/anythingelsewithwingsandspellcastingability cast a spell on your party.
Also, flying is usually a move action, and casting is usually a standard action, so they are usually two separate actions. [b]You fly 60 ft and stop. Then, you cast while you are not moving.[b]
Emphasis mine. If this were the case you'd need to make a DC15 Fly check to hover every turn. Actions and rounds are abstractions make to allow the game to work smoothly, they are not necessarily literal.
I personally don't think flight should be considered any more vigorous than walking. Does he force concentration checks for a Wizard with a 60' movement rate from Haste or Expeditous retreat, crossing 30' of difficult terrain? How about after making an Acrobatics check or two along the way? It's your DM's call, but it's most definitely a house-rule.
Also note that since you have physical wings as opposed to the Fly spell you're subject to checks required for being Attacked While Flying and a Collision While Flying, which wouldn't affect a Wizard under the spell. Interpretation is required to decide if your Fly speed is 'Natural' though, to see if you get the bonus for your Manuverability.
He's definitely within his right. Just remind him of his decision when he has that dragon/demon/anythingelsewithwingsandspellcastingability cast a spell on your party.I just looked up the ability. It doesn't specifically say it works like the spell. So he can call it vigorous activity if he wants.
As a sorcerer your primary ability is to spellcast. This flight comes from the magic of your bloodline. I would rule that it works like magical flight.
He's in his rights to call it vigorous activity, but my personal opinion is that if it were "vigorous activity" it would be called such in the description of the ability.
Or uses a spell like ability.
thanks for all the quick responses, do you think that the supernatural abilities rule would apply?
Supernatural Abilities (Su): Using a supernatural
ability is usually a standard action (unless defined
otherwise by the ability’s description). Its use cannot be
disrupted, does not require concentration, and does not
provoke attacks of opportunity.
there for because it is a supernatural ability, it would not require a check whatsoever?
thanks again
thanks for all the quick responses, do you think that the supernatural abilities rule would apply?
Supernatural Abilities (Su): Using a supernatural
ability is usually a standard action (unless defined
otherwise by the ability’s description). Its use cannot be
disrupted, does not require concentration, and does not
provoke attacks of opportunity.there for because it is a supernatural ability, it would not require a check whatsoever?
thanks again
That just means that you don't need to concentrate to maintain the wings. Your DM seems to think that it's not the wings themselves that require you to make a concentration check to cast, but the physical effort and/or bounciness of actually using them. It's a worthwhile point, but not necessarily a game-winner.