Awakened Animal NPC and Experience


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


We have been playing Kingmaker with a group of three PC's. One of the player's bought a wolf and had it trained to use as a mount, he has been riding it now for a few levels. Recently I decided that they would probably fair a bit better if they had another basic fighter in the group. Long story short is that the wolf got awakened by a high level druid through a series of events. I know it adds 2HD and all, but now how to I figure experience for it from here on out? I've decided that with experience it will start taking levels in ranger. So when exactly will it become level 1 ranger? How fast will it gain experience, should I do it like cohort experience? Thanks for any help.


rocklax wrote:

We have been playing Kingmaker with a group of three PC's. One of the player's bought a wolf and had it trained to use as a mount, he has been riding it now for a few levels. Recently I decided that they would probably fair a bit better if they had another basic fighter in the group. Long story short is that the wolf got awakened by a high level druid through a series of events. I know it adds 2HD and all, but now how to I figure experience for it from here on out? I've decided that with experience it will start taking levels in ranger. So when exactly will it become level 1 ranger? How fast will it gain experience, should I do it like cohort experience? Thanks for any help.

You are missing a great opportunity here. World's first canine wizard!

But to be serious, I don't know if there's anything official about it, but I'd use the Leadership cohort rules for it, yeah.

I'm curious what the wolf will pick for animal companion though. :)


Slaunyeh wrote:
rocklax wrote:

We have been playing Kingmaker with a group of three PC's. One of the player's bought a wolf and had it trained to use as a mount, he has been riding it now for a few levels. Recently I decided that they would probably fair a bit better if they had another basic fighter in the group. Long story short is that the wolf got awakened by a high level druid through a series of events. I know it adds 2HD and all, but now how to I figure experience for it from here on out? I've decided that with experience it will start taking levels in ranger. So when exactly will it become level 1 ranger? How fast will it gain experience, should I do it like cohort experience? Thanks for any help.

You are missing a great opportunity here. World's first canine wizard!

But to be serious, I don't know if there's anything official about it, but I'd use the Leadership cohort rules for it, yeah.

I'm curious what the wolf will pick for animal companion though. :)

None, probably going to take guide archtype so we don't have to worry about it.

Liberty's Edge

rocklax wrote:

We have been playing Kingmaker with a group of three PC's. One of the player's bought a wolf and had it trained to use as a mount, he has been riding it now for a few levels. Recently I decided that they would probably fair a bit better if they had another basic fighter in the group. Long story short is that the wolf got awakened by a high level druid through a series of events. I know it adds 2HD and all, but now how to I figure experience for it from here on out? I've decided that with experience it will start taking levels in ranger. So when exactly will it become level 1 ranger? How fast will it gain experience, should I do it like cohort experience? Thanks for any help.

What stile of combat: two bites or ranged bite?


Diego Rossi wrote:
rocklax wrote:

We have been playing Kingmaker with a group of three PC's. One of the player's bought a wolf and had it trained to use as a mount, he has been riding it now for a few levels. Recently I decided that they would probably fair a bit better if they had another basic fighter in the group. Long story short is that the wolf got awakened by a high level druid through a series of events. I know it adds 2HD and all, but now how to I figure experience for it from here on out? I've decided that with experience it will start taking levels in ranger. So when exactly will it become level 1 ranger? How fast will it gain experience, should I do it like cohort experience? Thanks for any help.

What stile of combat: two bites or ranged bite?

I'm betting natural attacks style from the APG.

As to the question on the exp and such, determine it's CR. If the CR of the animal is less than 1, then just start awarding experience, and when it reaches the half-way point to 2nd level, give it it's first level of Ranger. If the CR is higher, it needs as much EXP to get from it's CR to the next level to get a level of ranger (IE: If it has a CR 2, it has already as much 'exp' as it needs to reach level 2, so it starts working towards level 3 from there).

Liberty's Edge

An Awakened Wolf should be CR 2 or 3 (since a standard Wolf is CR 1), talk to your GM about which. After that, yeah, it's effectively a character with level equal to CR, so an Awakened Wolf Ranger 1 a third or fourth level character (effectively).

And unless the PC exercises actual control over him, I'd just treat him as an NPC party memeber, which is to say he gains XP normally (getting a full share of the group's), and is otherwise treated as a normal character. And does what he feels like, which may not be what his titular 'master' wants.

Liberty's Edge

AFAIK animals, even awakened animals, don't get multiple attacks for high BAB. So a wolf as a extra "basic fighter" seem to be destined to lose efficiency very fast.

I am missing some rule that allow him to get multiple or stronger attacks?

Adding ranger levels should not increase is size, so that is not the way for him to become "stronger".


Diego Rossi wrote:

AFAIK animals, even awakened animals, don't get multiple attacks for high BAB. So a wolf as a extra "basic fighter" seem to be destined to lose efficiency very fast.

I am missing some rule that allow him to get multiple or stronger attacks?

Adding ranger levels should not increase is size, so that is not the way for him to become "stronger".

Any creature that has class levels gets multiple attacks for a high BAB, but creatures (especially animals) usually use their natural attacks at max BAB instead, as they hit better. Note you can only do the multiple attacks with a manufactured weapon or an unarmed strike, not a natural weapon (if I'm reading the rules correctly). So yeah, the wolf would likely not gain bonus atacks, although he'd get his natural attack at a very high BAB.

On the other hand, he could simply make multiple combat manuever attacks, instead, for his extra itterative attacks. A wolf, for example, if surrounded, could attempt to trip everyone around him, as far as I can tell. He'd want to take improved trip feat tree (and could as a fighter).

I agree, fighter isn't ideal for an awakened animal, but no reason why he couldn't take it.

Liberty's Edge

Diego Rossi wrote:

AFAIK animals, even awakened animals, don't get multiple attacks for high BAB. So a wolf as a extra "basic fighter" seem to be destined to lose efficiency very fast.

I am missing some rule that allow him to get multiple or stronger attacks?

Adding ranger levels should not increase is size, so that is not the way for him to become "stronger".

An awakened animal could take actual levels in the fighter class of course which would give him multiple attacks for high BAB.


as MDT said. Unless the wolf somehow gets Hands it will only ever do one attack with its Bite. However it could make multiple combat maneuver checks or other things.

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