You cannot use a large bastard sword two-handed as martial weapon anymore than you can use a large greatsword.
Your options are:
1) With EWP use a large bastard sword two-handed (as with EWP it is a 1 handed weapon) at the -2 oversized penalty.
2) Use a large bastard sword two-handed and take the -4 non-proficient plus -2 oversized for -6 to hit.
Edit: After Starglim's post "2) No, you can't wield a bastard sword in one hand without special training (p. 149)." I take this back, you cannot use option 2. You can use option 1, or find a different weapon.
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2) No, you can't wield a bastard sword in one hand without special training (p. 149).
5) If you use a Large bastard sword as a martial weapon, it's a Large two-handed weapon, which is too big for you to wield. Thinking about it, if you're not proficient, it's still a Large one-handed weapon, even though a Large non-proficient creature can't wield it in one hand. I've made an equivalent argument for the lance, so I should be consistent. edit: So, in the end, I agree with Tarantula's original point 2. A Medium non-proficient creature can wield it as a two-handed weapon at -6 penalty.
Right, you're using the large verson of the sword two handed to approximate using an appropriate sized version one handed, not an appropriate sized version two handed.
Please can you tell me where the over sized rules are for me to look at RAW.
Thanks.
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I don't have the book in front of me atm, but I can say that the Dev's have allowed you to:
Having taken Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword, you may then use the one-handed Bastard Sword, and therefore make a Large one-handed bastard sword you can wield with two hands (2d8 weapon) at a -2 penalty to hit.
I say this because, as the dev's have said, this is what Amiri (The Barbarian Iconic) does. Yeah, I don't know if it's in the Core Rulebook, but the dev's word is good enough for me :P
He's trying to work it so you don't have to take the feat, like Amiri did, and still just get -2.
He's trying to work it so you don't have to take the feat, like Amiri did, and still just get -2.Actually no, I am trying to find where in the rules you cannot do it.
I agree that if it worked it would be bad, I just want the RAW to show someone.
If the bastard sword is large then you should be able to use it in two hands as a large martial weapon with the EWP feat. I see it as a -2 also since you are only suffering the size penalty, but for purpose of DPR you are better off with the regular sized weapon even if it does less damage most of the time. I have not done any math for the large bastard sword though.
1d10=5.5
2d8=9
When that minus 2 starts to add to your power attack penalty it really won't be worth it IMHO.
Yar!
A creature can't make optimum use of a weapon that isn't properly sized for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn't proficient with the weapon, a –4 non-proficiency penalty also applies.The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder's size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. For example, a Small creature would wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon. If a weapon's designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can't wield the weapon at all.
Your options are as follows:
No EWP, Bastard Sword, Two-Handed
No EWP, Bastard Sword, One-Handed, -4 to hit for Non-Proficiency
No EWP, Large Bastard Sword, Two-Handed, -6 to hit for Non-Proficiency & Inappropriately Sized (normally this would not be allowed at all due to the last line of the above quote, but the caveat that changes the size category based on proficiency means that you can do this, but with massive penalties to hit)
EWP:BS, Bastard Sword, One-Handed
EWP:BS, Bastard Sword, Two-Handed
EWP:BS, Large Bastard Sword, Two-Handed, -2 to hit for Inappropriately sized
That is all.
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I have not done any math for the large bastard sword though.
1d10=5.5
2d8=9When that minus 2 starts to add to your power attack penalty it really won't be worth it IMHO.
You are gaining 2 points of damage in return for -2 to hit, compared to a greatsword. When power attack can deliver you +3 damage per -1 to hit, it's really not worth it under most circumstances. Unless you are hitting low AC targets, on the whole I have found +1 to hit is easily worth +2 to damage just by granting you more hits.