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Is it just he, or has the profanity filter been stepped up to an annoying level?
What I mean is, it's editing words when the end of one word and the begining of the next word happen to spell a swear word. Anything ending in 's', followed by the word 'hit', for example, is getting edited - which is pretty tough in a game with hit points and rolls to hit, and stuff... Words ending in 'c' followed by 'until' also triggers it.
It's bad enough I couldn't describe a crow that 'cocks it's head to one side' before... this is getting ridiculous!
I imagine it's a way to prevent people from circumventing the filter by typing a forbidden word with a space in the middle, but it is pretty annoying at times.
I imagine it's a way to prevent people from circumventing the filter by typing a forbidden word with a space in the middle, but it is pretty annoying at times.
This. A small and thoroughly annoying group of people trying to be 'funny' with their shenanigans, and Paizo is having to counter the stupidity in the only way the Internet will allow them to do so safely.
Yet again the small percentage of mooks making it just that bit more frustrating on the boards.
You didn't really want to use your First Amendment did you?
Not this again...not the first time I've seen someone bring first amendment up in relation to forum censorship. When you signed up to Paizo, did you accept the terms of service? If yes, then you also probably accepted a limitation of your first amendment rights.You didn't really want to use your First Amendment did you?
Hell, it doesn't matter if it's covered under the terms of service or not. You don't have any 1st Amendment rights on a privately-owned website.
On-topic: Yeah, the filter is getting a bit obnoxious, blocking valid words and the spacing.
Rather than screw things up for those of us who aren't attempting to skirt the rules, can't you just ban the idiots who are?
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Rather than screw things up for those of us who aren't attempting to skirt the rules, can't you just ban the idiots who are?
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Really, I'm not a big fan of banning, but if a person repeatedly breeches the social contract making this a pleasant message board, I'd rather get rid of them than punish everybody.
Not this again...not the first time I've seen someone bring first amendment up in relation to forum censorship. When you signed up to Paizo, did you accept the terms of service? If yes, then you also probably accepted a limitation of your first amendment rights.You didn't really want to use your First Amendment did you?
Wow, did someone wake up on the wrong side of his rock today?
Get a sense of humor.
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Not this again...not the first time I've seen someone bring first amendment up in relation to forum censorship. When you signed up to Paizo, did you accept the terms of service? If yes, then you also probably accepted a limitation of your first amendment rights.You didn't really want to use your First Amendment did you?
Wow, did someone wake up on the wrong side of his rock today?
Get a sense of humor.
To be fair, it is entirely common for people to start making exactly the kind of remarks you did about the First Amendment whenever the topic of messageboard censorship comes up.
You can't really blame someone for not having a sense of humor when your joke post is absolutely identical to misguided, serious posts on the same topic.
Why use the filter to annoy everyone? Just flag posts with profanity and ban people using it - if you are doing "spaces in the middle" to bypass the filter, it's not an accident or "I didn't know those words were forbidden," it's a clear deliberate attempt to evade the rules, bye bye.
And lest we forget, Paizo might be a 'private' website you have to sign up to join, but it is publicly available to browse without signing up.
Table-Top gaming gets enough of a stigma from the fundamental religious/low IQ mob, the political arena's quick-deflect-the-drama-at-a-minority-group spin-masters and the general pool of Internet An-Heroes. Paizo is well within their rights to try and not give any of the above groups, plus the ones I've more than likely missed, any more rocks to throw at the house.
And yes I agree with the banning. Even if it's just temporary, anywhere from a week to a full month to (for the masochisticly-inclinded goons) permanent banning could help resolve the situation.
Ahh...there had to be a 'C' at the end of the last word to make 'until' a naughty word. I noticed that 'until' was acting up a couple of days ago but could not replicate it and so deleted the post.
Anyway I think this is a tad over the top. When the profanity filter stops letting me use words like 'until' that strikes me as taking things to far.
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Blimey - you can't say that eggs are stored in an egg sac... until they are ready to be laid.
How odd. Mind you, here in the Netherlands the old Prime Minister gave primaray school children (8 yrs old approx) t-shirts with "F*** Drugs" and the only criticism he got was that he was trying too hard to be "cool".
EDIT: Good grief - it even messed with the egg sac when I threw three full stops in between it and until!
EDIT 2: Thanks Gary. Sorry for poking the filter while it was down. I couldn't resist.
Hmm, let's test. Is there a Scunthorpe problem? Any problem with Pen Island?
And can we say that in Charles Dickens' novel, "Oliver Twist," the Artful Dodger's boss was Fagan?
(It seems the answers are currently "Yes," "No," and "Yes." Is there any reason, however, why the insane nanny filter lowercases the uppercase "F" in the proper name of a literary character {and also the last name of many people living today} when replacing it with random characters? And could an exception be made for this name, since it is a real name and has come up when discussing child thieves?)
sac until
EDIT: Yep.
Since I was already here, I've rolled back the profanity filter to its former prudish glory.
Did any of your changes empty the RSS/Atom feeds? The stuff for SGG seems empty.
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'Not able to get to the fallen cleric until the monster was defeated, Valeros hit it with a powerful one-two combo, while Harsk ducked behind cover to cock his crossbow, ready for his next shot.'
Back to normal - thanks Mr Teter!
Although I'd still like to be able to write 'cock' in a normal non-profane context (as in the action of pulling back the string of a crossbow and locking it into place, tilting something to one side, or a male chicken which cries out in the morning)... but we never could on here anyway, so I'm at least used to that one... ;)
Since I was already here, I've rolled back the profanity filter to its former prudish glory.
So once again, I can safely tell everyone about how my pen is rolling off the desk?
'Not able to get to the fallen cleric until the monster was defeated, Valeros hit it with a powerful one-two combo, while Harsk ducked behind cover to c%!@ his crossbow, ready for his next shot.'
Back to normal - thanks Mr Teter!
Although I'd still like to be able to write 'c%!@' in a normal non-profane context (as in the action of pulling back the string of a crossbow and locking it into place, tilting something to one side, or a male chicken which cries out in the morning)... but we never could on here anyway, so I'm at least used to that one... ;)
Reminds me of my puzzlement when I tried to answer questions on yahoo answers about Latin causal or adversative cum clauses. Dawned on me after a while why I was being bleeped.
I haven't had any problems with it.
Is there any logic to why t#!~ are now good but cocks are still bad? Especially since you might want to talk about how you cock your crossbow or your head, or tell a cock-and-bull story about a hen and a cock to Dick Clark and Charles Dickens?
I haven't had any problems with it.
Okay, the nanny filter is officially senile. You can have "t+++" as a screen name but not in a conversation?
I think I will now go and try to explain the paladin's morality code and whether or not undead are universally evil, because that makes more logical sense....
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The thing I find silly with these types of filters is the fact that they leave enough characters from the banned word that one can still clearly understand what the poster originally typed.
What is the point of that? Who are we trying to fool/protect? The five and under crowd? Is the word somehow less offensive if some of the characters have been replaced?
The filter should either XXXXX out the entire word or why bother?
Or, if you are truly serious about blocking profanity (as the messageboard policy states below as I type this) then how about blocking the entire post? That would seriously curb the habit. Instead of out right blocking the entire post when you hit submit, the system could warn you about the profanity breech and allow you to correct the post before re-submitting.
Those that purposely circumvent the filter? Flag them, delete their posts and then ban them if they persist.
Just my 2 cp
Cheers
I haven't had any problems with it.Okay, the nanny filter is officially senile. You can have "t#%#" as a screen name but not in a conversation?
We shall henceforth refer to that poster as "He who must not be named!"
I have to say, if what the OP is saying is true, that's a bit over the top. Bad words don't, like, sear peoples eyeballs when they're read or anything. Nobody here is a Puritan (except for DeathQuaker, maybe...lol). A certain amount of hand-holding is understandable, but, I mean, c'mon.
Nope, totally different. Puritans used to burn Quakers at the stake under suspicion of witchcraft, actually.
BUT WHO'S THE LIVING RELIGION NOW, BUDDY?! ;p
(To be clear, "buddy" refers to hypothetical long dead Puritans.)
Also, I also agree with the things that Jeremiziah said that do not have to do with me. If the profanity filter is so stretched that it becomes impossible to type normal words that often come up in discussion of this very game's rules and play pbp games here, then it has become useless.
Especially since the way the filter works, it ends up making often harmless words look like far more nasty ones, and people's imaginations fill in content not there that wouldn't have been thought of otherwise. I think of PBP posts where someone says a thing synonymous to "tilts his head to one side" or "he readies his pistol" and the resulting text looks rather naughty and all pointlessly so.
I understand the company's concern at keeping content rated PG for professional reasons, but this undermines them in other ways, and essentially punishes people not involved in the wrongdoing. If posters are excessively and repeatedly being profane, they need to be corrected or, in extreme circumstances, banned. Yes, that makes more work for admins, but it's what is fair.
Thanks for dialing things back, but could we please get the word "c0ck" removed. Like others have said, this word constantly comes up with legitimate uses during the course of running a PbP: using crossbows and expressions of body language being prime examples already given. Quite frankly it breaks the flow of storytelling when you have to divert attention away from thinking creatively, to trouble-shooting — the two are very nearly polar opposite mindsets with each one coming at the detriment of the other.
Thanks for dialing back, but could we please get the word "c0ck" removed. Like others have said this word, constantly comes up with legitimate uses during the course of running a PbP: using crossbows and expressions of body language being prime examples already given. Quite frankly it breaks the flow of storytelling when you have to divert attention away from thinking creatively, to trouble-shooting — the two are very nearly polar opposite mindsets with each one coming at the detriment of the other.
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Also, while I understand that the three letter by themselves are an offensive slur, could we have an exception for the Artful Dodger's boss Fagan?
If the profanity filter starts looking for letters in order, this would start screwing up names like "Pontif Agamemnon" too.
Why use the filter to annoy everyone? Just flag posts with profanity and ban people using it - if you are doing "spaces in the middle" to bypass the filter, it's not an accident or "I didn't know those words were forbidden," it's a clear deliberate attempt to evade the rules, bye bye.
Well cultural differences in profanity usage for a start.
There are a number of British and Ozzie board members. And frankly their is a whole field of words which express annoyance which barely register in English and Ozzie culture which are considered unacceptable by many Americans it seems.
And it isn't just terms of annoyance. Differences in word usage are fairly wide spread in all fields.
The approach your describing leaves such users with no certainty of what they can and cannot say. While I would really be much happier with out a filter at all, if it is a choice between that and getting banned form the sight while taking out tabacco products, for use of the term f$$, i'll choose the stupid filter. How every annoying it might be to get chunks of your message censored, it is better than the risk of over officious moderators.
I'll go and mix myself a cocktail and read some of your profanities.
I have to say, if what the OP is saying is true, that's a bit over the top. Bad words don't, like, sear peoples eyeballs when they're read or anything. Nobody here is a Puritan (except for DeathQuaker, maybe...lol). A certain amount of hand-holding is understandable, but, I mean, c'mon.Nope, totally different. Puritans used to burn Quakers at the stake under suspicion of witchcraft, actually.
BUT WHO'S THE LIVING RELIGION NOW, BUDDY?! ;p
(To be clear, "buddy" refers to hypothetical long dead Puritans.)
Off topic, but the Puritans never 'died out', they just morphed into Congregationalists. There are a bunch of lovely old Puritan-built churches scattered about my region. I love going there and taking snaps of the old colonial tombstones. They all still have active congregations, but are not so dreary and obsessed with sin as in the old days*. Also a lot of great Quaker meetinghouses around as well (once the Puritans calmed down a bit the Quakers did a bit of settling in the area.) They weren't into cool tombstones though.
*(To be clear I am not one of their membership, or any other Abrahamic religion in general)
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I'd still like to be able to have an NPC sn@%@~! without the word filter assuming i'm being racist but I've asked before so its likely a lost cause.
Plus you Yanks use snicker anyway apparently...
Just because you're TPKing us in the Serpent's Skull game, you've no reason to be snickering, Alex. :-p
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I have to say, if what the OP is saying is true, that's a bit over the top. Bad words don't, like, sear peoples eyeballs when they're read or anything. Nobody here is a Puritan (except for DeathQuaker, maybe...lol). A certain amount of hand-holding is understandable, but, I mean, c'mon.Nope, totally different. Puritans used to burn Quakers at the stake under suspicion of witchcraft, actually.
BUT WHO'S THE LIVING RELIGION NOW, BUDDY?! ;p
(To be clear, "buddy" refers to hypothetical long dead Puritans.)
Off topic, but the Puritans never 'died out', they just morphed into Congregationalists. There are a bunch of lovely old Puritan-built churches scattered about my region. I love going there and taking snaps of the old colonial tombstones. They all still have active congregations, but are not so dreary and obsessed with sin as in the old days*. Also a lot of great Quaker meetinghouses around as well (once the Puritans calmed down a bit the Quakers did a bit of settling in the area.) They weren't into cool tombstones though.
*(To be clear I am not one of their membership, or any other Abrahamic religion in general)
Yes, I did misrepresent things in the name of humor. My apologies.
Thank you for that, though, I did know the Puritans sort of transformed/melded into something else but I didn't know what.
To be fair, oldskool Puritans weren't so dreary (read Sarah Vowell's The Wordy Shipmates,.. which I need to finish, actually) but certainly obsessed with a number of things.
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Thanks for dialing things back, but could we please get the word "c0ck" removed. Like others have said, this word constantly comes up with legitimate uses during the course of running a PbP: using crossbows and expressions of body language being prime examples already given. Quite frankly it breaks the flow of storytelling when you have to divert attention away from thinking creatively, to trouble-shooting — the two are very nearly polar opposite mindsets with each one coming at the detriment of the other.
That's the one thing that bugs me about the profanity filter, as I noted several months ago. You can say "He cocked his head", but not "He cocks his head".
I'll say it again: the word "cock" has significant non-infringing uses in the English language.
Why use the filter to annoy everyone? Just flag posts with profanity and ban people using it - if you are doing "spaces in the middle" to bypass the filter, it's not an accident or "I didn't know those words were forbidden," it's a clear deliberate attempt to evade the rules, bye bye.Well cultural differences in profanity usage for a start.
There are a number of British and Ozzie board members. And frankly their is a whole field of words which express annoyance which barely register in English and Ozzie culture which are considered unacceptable by many Americans it seems.
And it isn't just terms of annoyance. Differences in word usage are fairly wide spread in all fields.
The approach your describing leaves such users with no certainty of what they can and cannot say. While I would really be much happier with out a filter at all, if it is a choice between that and getting banned form the sight while taking out tabacco products, for use of the term f~~, i'll choose the stupid filter. How every annoying it might be to get chunks of your message censored, it is better than the risk of over officious moderators.
Yes the cultural differences in word usage is very funny for example: Fanny is the front not the bottom... Patting somebody on the fanny in Australia or England is a good way to get a punch in the face and put up on sexual assault charges.
A packet of f$*+ is a packet of cigarettes, although it can be used as an insult. It is not used as much as the word poof which is probably far more insulting to a gay Australian.
Why use the filter to annoy everyone? Just flag posts with profanity and ban people using it - if you are doing "spaces in the middle" to bypass the filter, it's not an accident or "I didn't know those words were forbidden," it's a clear deliberate attempt to evade the rules, bye bye.Well cultural differences in profanity usage for a start.
There are a number of British and Ozzie board members. And frankly their is a whole field of words which express annoyance which barely register in English and Ozzie culture which are considered unacceptable by many Americans it seems.
And it isn't just terms of annoyance. Differences in word usage are fairly wide spread in all fields.
The approach your describing leaves such users with no certainty of what they can and cannot say. While I would really be much happier with out a filter at all, if it is a choice between that and getting banned form the sight while taking out tabacco products, for use of the term f~~, i'll choose the stupid filter. How every annoying it might be to get chunks of your message censored, it is better than the risk of over officious moderators.
Yes the cultural differences in word usage is very funny for example: Fanny is the front not the bottom... Patting somebody on the fanny in Australia or England is a good way to get a punch in the face and put up on sexual assault charges.
A packet of f#%s is a packet of cigarettes, although it can be used as an insult. It is not used as much as the word poof which is probably far more insulting to a gay Australian.
F&# being used as an insult is something i have rarely heard. The full 'f@~~+%' does get used, but is far less common on my experience than other slurs. By a fairly wide margin the most common usage of f@@ in british english is f&~ ends, for cigarette butts, followed by f+! packets and f&!+ (refering to cigarettes full stop).
Whilst in Wales you eat f-a-g-g-o-t-s - they're a sort of meatball type thing that go in a rich onion gravy, generally with peas and mashed potatoes. Nowt to do with sexual preferences at all.
Not just wales, its a UK wide food. But it has largely fallen from common usage, because the food stuff has. As such the terms most common usage is as an offensive slur to homosexual men, which in America has for the most part been shortened to F*#.
Of course if you like open fires, the term is also used for a bundle of bits of wood.
But irrespective of whether I'm thinking of eating or keeping warm, that term wouldn't call to mind people who happen to be homosexual, even in the unlikely event I wanted to be rude to them!
I have grown up with log fires, never seen the word used that way in the living language.