Spell Perfection with Heighten Spell or Quicken Spell


Rules Questions


I am playing an Arcane Trickster. My favoured attack is an Elemental Touch. My goal was, to take a lesser Rod of Dazing Spell with the Combo Heighten Spell and Spell Perfection on Elemental Touch. So i would get a 2nd Level spell every time on the highest DC and daze all monsters with the Rod.

my problem:

in Elemental Touch: "...Whenever you cast that spell you may apply any one metamagic feat you have to that spell without affecting its level or casting time..."

in Heighten Spell "...Heighten Spell actually increases the effective level of the spell that it modifies..."

Does it means, you can combine Heighten Spell or Quicken Spell with Spell Perfection but it is useless?


malcolm667 wrote:

I am playing an Arcane Trickster. My favoured attack is an Elemental Touch. My goal was, to take a lesser Rod of Dazing Spell with the Combo Heighten Spell and Spell Perfection on Elemental Touch. So i would get a 2nd Level spell every time on the highest DC and daze all monsters with the Rod.

my problem:

in Elemental Touch: "...Whenever you cast that spell you may apply any one metamagic feat you have to that spell without affecting its level or casting time..."

in Heighten Spell "...Heighten Spell actually increases the effective level of the spell that it modifies..."

Does it means, you can combine Heighten Spell or Quicken Spell with Spell Perfection but it is useless?

in my opinion: no, it is just a standard reference to the usual level adjustment for the spell slot to be used and the increase in casting time casting a spell spontaneously.


U can the total level can not exceed 9th level. ALSO please note spell perfection allows A METAMAGIC feat not multiple.


Dragonslie wrote:
U can the total level can not exceed 9th level. ALSO please note spell perfection allows A METAMAGIC feat not multiple.

Spell Perfection lets you apply one metamagic feat for free, yes, but you can apply others provided you pay the normal cost for them and don't break the rules for Spell Perfection.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^what he said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


You'd be able to combine both, provided that you didn't heighten the spell more than three levels. 2 base + 4 quicken + 3 heighten = 9th level.

You'd be able to cast this using a 5th level spell slot, and it would count as a 5th level spell for all purposes (including using a rod on it, so you'd need a mid-level rod of dazing).

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