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Hi everybody.
I'm trying to have a nice idea of the timeline in Golarion History, but I didnt find nothing for the time before the Earthfall. Is Strange to me that there is not even a creation myth in the religions of Golarion, no church says that their God in the Creator, the First One or something like this. It may be argued that it was prehistoric times and nothing is remembered, but the elves departed golarion in that age, and 10000 years are not so much for them, and also are the dragons, some of them are lorekeepers. If someone knows something more of what appears in the Campaing Setting, I will Thanks a lot.
Haderak
The only thing that I've caught about this is Torag is considered (at least by the dwarves, idk who else) to have created the world. But that's the only case I've seen of this, but I haven't really looked that hard.
Maybe, hopefully, there will be some more info on this in the new updates Inner Sea World Guide.
And now ill let James tell you the rest.........James? *looks for James* James?
Well, the CS (p.155) mentions the Vudrans have histories dating back 50,000 years, but few people in the Inner Sea region believe them. This is stated to be before any (other) civilized race's records, save for the dragons and aboleths, and they aren't telling. So the elves have less than 50,000 years (a fair bit less, apparently) of history.
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The almost-out "Inner Sea World Guide" has a timeline that goes back beyond Earthfall, into what we're calling the Age of Legend, the Age of Serpents, and the Age of Creation. There's not a LOT of info about this stuff... maybe half a page... but it's there.
As for creation myths... well, here's a free preview from the Inner Sea World Guide's entry on the Age of Creation:
"The creation of Golarion is a hotly debated subject among scholars and priests, with as many theories attempting to chronicle such an ancient event as there are philosophies and religions. Most of these theories agree that for uncounted ages, mortal life did not exist upon the world of Golarion. Yet even this primeval world was far from abandoned. If they are to be believed, the aboleths ruled the oceans, while the land was the domain of even more mysterious races, such as the unknowable Vault Builders. Eventually, mortal life appeared—yet again, whether as a result of aboleth experimentation or divine creation, the truth is unclear. Certainly, the gods themselves had a far more direct role in the world in these early days, for it was during the Age of Creation that the deity Rovagug was confronted and defeated by an alliance of gods and goddesses, primarily through the acts of Sarenrae (who cut open the world and sealed Rovagug in a strange dimension at the world’s core) and Asmodeus (who provided a lock and key capable of imprisoning a god)."
In other words... we're deliberately NOT saying what created the world and the universe and the multiverse because we don't want that nailed down. Having multiple religion-specific and philosophy-specific theories that often contradict is much better.
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The only thing that I've caught about this is Torag is considered (at least by the dwarves, idk who else) to have created the world. But that's the only case I've seen of this, but I haven't really looked that hard.
Maybe, hopefully, there will be some more info on this in the new updates Inner Sea World Guide.
And now ill let James tell you the rest.........James? *looks for James* James?
The dwarves certainly do believe that Torag created the world.
But that's not necessarily the truth. Every religion and every culture on Golarion has their own variant of this theory. We've presented several here and there in various products, and will likely continue to do so.
I certainly have my own theory as to how Golarion and it all came to be, but I'm not gonna say since that might end up sticking, and I might come up with a better idea later that I'd rather use instead! :)
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In other words... we're deliberately NOT saying what created the world and the universe and the multiverse because we don't want that nailed down. Having multiple religion-specific and philosophy-specific theories that often contradict is much better.
Thanks a lot for your answers, I'm dming a campaing in mierani, a need to know something about how was the world before the Earthfall. I've readed that the elves had problems with the violent humans, but don't know if that humans were barbarians or the thassilonian domains, or both. For example, Mierani forest were in the middle between bakrakhan and cyrusian domains, and can't understand why any of them had not conquered that elven kingdom. Also, i'm trying to think about how was the elven culture before the exodus, when they had big kingdoms with very long histories. How was that world? Did they need to struggle to survive against the dragons, the aboleth, etc? Are questions I do just to get a solid background for my campaing.
Thanks, again for all.
Haderak
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In other words... we're deliberately NOT saying what created the world and the universe and the multiverse because we don't want that nailed down. Having multiple religion-specific and philosophy-specific theories that often contradict is much better.Thanks a lot for your answers, I'm dming a campaing in mierani, a need to know something about how was the world before the Earthfall. I've readed that the elves had problems with the violent humans, but don't know if that humans were barbarians or the thassilonian domains, or both. For example, Mierani forest were in the middle between bakrakhan and cyrusian domains, and can't understand why any of them had not conquered that elven kingdom. Also, i'm trying to think about how was the elven culture before the exodus, when they had big kingdoms with very long histories. How was that world? Did they need to struggle to survive against the dragons, the aboleth, etc? Are questions I do just to get a solid background for my campaing.
Thanks, again for all.
Haderak
In the case of the Mierani elves, their conflicts were entirely with Thassilon. Particularly with the Runelord of Envy, who was envious of elven beauty and went as far as stealing a proper elven name for herself (among other things) in her madness. (Sharp-eyed Golarion scholars might have noticed a similarity between the name of Runelord Belimarius's nation, Edasseril, and the last name of the current ruler of Kyonin).
Furthermore, looking at the map of the ancient empires in the Campaign Setting, you can see a thin swath of non-Thassilon protruding into the nation about where the Mierani Forest is today; that's basically the northeastern reach of the ancient elven empire in the area.
Having multiple religion-specific and philosophy-specific theories that often contradict is much better.
*round of applause* :D
There's the boggard creation myth when Gogunta rose and seeded the world with eggs.
Trolls believe that Urxehl created the world.
While other unknown gods were creating the world, Desna was busy with the stars.
Not that I personally prefer divine origin.
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The world coalesced out of molten rock cast out by the sun, which in turn was ignited from incandescent vapor in the infinite cosmos. This was--wait for it--all random. That's right, no gods involved. The gods came much later and claimed credit for the whole thing, and- no, wait! I'm not mad! Listen to me!
The world coalesced out of molten rock cast out by the sun, which in turn was ignited from incandescent vapor in the infinite cosmos. This was--wait for it--all random.
:-/ ... I'm okay with this! :D