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Celestial Healer wrote:From what I saw in the comments about the site it's screenshotted from, I imagine they just put the there-bottom calculation in, told it to convert to base-10, convert to fraction form (if it wasn't already), then copied it, pasted it into the submit box, and told it to convert back.Orthos wrote:For FreeholdThis is an impressive feat. I now find myself contemplating the means by which someone came up with that equation. I can see how they did it, but it would take some time. Love it.
Well that's less impressive.

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Celestial Healer wrote:I see your goatee is taking over and making you evil. I feared this would happen, but it's okay - we all get evil goatees from time to time. Just trim it a bit and your alignment should return to normal.Orthos wrote:For FreeholdThis is an impressive feat. I now find myself contemplating the means by which someone came up with that equation. I can see how they did it, but it would take some time. Love it.
I ditched the goatee. It did not grow in properly at all. Very thin and scraggly.

Orthos |

Orthos wrote:Well that's less impressive.Celestial Healer wrote:From what I saw in the comments about the site it's screenshotted from, I imagine they just put the there-bottom calculation in, told it to convert to base-10, convert to fraction form (if it wasn't already), then copied it, pasted it into the submit box, and told it to convert back.Orthos wrote:For FreeholdThis is an impressive feat. I now find myself contemplating the means by which someone came up with that equation. I can see how they did it, but it would take some time. Love it.
It's how I would have done it, admittedly.
Someone far better at math than I could have theoretically done it the long way, I imagine.

Freehold DM |

Freehold DM wrote:I was just gonna blame cell phones. Seriously, why do 11-year-olds have iPhones.Scintillae wrote:I'm just baffled at the mindset of "WOO-HOO, I DIDN'T LEARN ANYTHING!" as represented by that comic and that I overhear so often when the kids think the sub's not paying attention. I don't get bragging about "haha, Mrs. X thought that would be important." I can't wrap my mind about being proud of failing to grasp something. Heck, I wish I remembered more of my high school classes, and it bothers me that I know I used to be able to do something and can't anymore.This probably has its roots in the notorious lack of social skills possessed by most high school teachers(not to mention many, many students, but they do have an excuse in that they are still developing, although it is a poor one) as well as the encouraging of an adversarial relationship on both sides. It's worse in math teachers, I find, but it's an issue that the administration is always a step behind in addressing.
why did you have a game boy at the same age?
Twould be better to show them how they could use their toys to learn the subject than to simply condemn them. The Simpsons had an episode that gave me hope on that level, but then it got turned into a message about how people trying new ideas are evil and wrong and we all love Edna krabapple even though she's a poor teacher because tradition trumps progress. That said, it's the Simpsons.

Freehold DM |

Freehold DM wrote:I ditched the goatee. It did not grow in properly at all. Very thin and scraggly.Celestial Healer wrote:I see your goatee is taking over and making you evil. I feared this would happen, but it's okay - we all get evil goatees from time to time. Just trim it a bit and your alignment should return to normal.Orthos wrote:For FreeholdThis is an impressive feat. I now find myself contemplating the means by which someone came up with that equation. I can see how they did it, but it would take some time. Love it.
give it time. Some patchiness is normal. If your job will allow it, go without shaving for a few days . You need to see what grows where and how.

Scintillae |
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Scintillae wrote:Freehold DM wrote:I was just gonna blame cell phones. Seriously, why do 11-year-olds have iPhones.Scintillae wrote:I'm just baffled at the mindset of "WOO-HOO, I DIDN'T LEARN ANYTHING!" as represented by that comic and that I overhear so often when the kids think the sub's not paying attention. I don't get bragging about "haha, Mrs. X thought that would be important." I can't wrap my mind about being proud of failing to grasp something. Heck, I wish I remembered more of my high school classes, and it bothers me that I know I used to be able to do something and can't anymore.This probably has its roots in the notorious lack of social skills possessed by most high school teachers(not to mention many, many students, but they do have an excuse in that they are still developing, although it is a poor one) as well as the encouraging of an adversarial relationship on both sides. It's worse in math teachers, I find, but it's an issue that the administration is always a step behind in addressing.why did you have a game boy at the same age?
Twould be better to show them how they could use their toys to learn the subject than to simply condemn them. The Simpsons had an episode that gave me hope on that level, but then it got turned into a message about how people trying new ideas are evil and wrong and we all love Edna krabapple even though she's a poor teacher because tradition trumps progress. That said, it's the Simpsons.
I wasn't playing Pokemon in class.
Look, kiddies, your friends aren't going to forget you in the 45 minutes you're in class, so put your damn phone down, and it's not my fault this generation is so instant-gratification based that anything requiring them to act a little mature and hold off texting while I'm giving a lesson causes outrage. This has nothing to do with embracing or rejecting new technology and everything to do with lack of respect. It's passing notes for the new generation. Last I checked, that was also against the rules. So please don't lump me in with the luddites just because I want to teach when I show up to teach and not have to fight with Angry Birds for attention.

Bitter Thorn |

Celestial Healer wrote:give it time. Some patchiness is normal. If your job will allow it, go without shaving for a few days . You need to see what grows where and how.Freehold DM wrote:I ditched the goatee. It did not grow in properly at all. Very thin and scraggly.Celestial Healer wrote:I see your goatee is taking over and making you evil. I feared this would happen, but it's okay - we all get evil goatees from time to time. Just trim it a bit and your alignment should return to normal.Orthos wrote:For FreeholdThis is an impressive feat. I now find myself contemplating the means by which someone came up with that equation. I can see how they did it, but it would take some time. Love it.
It sound dirty when you say it. ;)

Orthos |

Scintillae wrote:I was just gonna blame cell phones. Seriously, why do 11-year-olds have iPhones.why did you have a game boy at the same age?
I didn't. Didn't get mine until I was in my middle teens.
And they weren't allowed at school in any case. Neither were phones, though I can give this one a pass with how many kids these days don't have a parent at home or nearby and need some method of contact, but they still shouldn't be talking/texting during class.
... says the guy posting on a forum from work >_>

Orthos |

I wasn't playing Pokemon in class.
Look, kiddies, your friends aren't going to forget you in the 45 minutes you're in class, so put your damn phone down, and it's not my fault this generation is so instant-gratification based that anything requiring them to act a little mature and hold off texting while I'm giving a lesson cause outrage. This has nothing to do with embracing or rejecting new technology and everything to do with lack of respect. It's passing notes for the new generation. Last I checked, that was also against the rules. So please don't lump me in with the luddites just because I want to teach when I show up to teach and not have to fight with Angry Birds for attention.
+1 and many more

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Regarding maths, I am sure most people can live perfectly well without learning trigonometry, the area of a circle, and so on. However, there is a sharp line to what you DO need to understand things, and within that line lies the basics of statistics. If someone claims that not even understanding the use of percentages is necessary, they lack critical understanding and may well come to suffer for it.
Statistics is the field that is used today to measure the truth of statements in the media. Most of the workings of human society gets wonky unless you have a solid grasp on it. You will not be able to evaluate statements from any source without it.
There is another reason why mathematics are necessary in school. Some of those studying in school will become engineers, computer programmers, designers of various stripes, or do research in various natural science fields. For these people to have a foundation to stand on when it comes to higher studies, it needs to be in the general education. Same with tons of other fields of study. I had no interest in history in school (even though now I do), but was forced to study anyway. For some reason, though, it's always maths that is brought up as "useless in real life". This is rather childish.

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Celestial Healer wrote:give it time. Some patchiness is normal. If your job will allow it, go without shaving for a few days . You need to see what grows where and how.Freehold DM wrote:I ditched the goatee. It did not grow in properly at all. Very thin and scraggly.Celestial Healer wrote:I see your goatee is taking over and making you evil. I feared this would happen, but it's okay - we all get evil goatees from time to time. Just trim it a bit and your alignment should return to normal.Orthos wrote:For FreeholdThis is an impressive feat. I now find myself contemplating the means by which someone came up with that equation. I can see how they did it, but it would take some time. Love it.
I gave it a week. It was not a successful venture.

Freehold DM |

I'll bet you played it on your free period though, if you had one. I keep having to remember my high school was weird and that not everyone had my experience. Or is having it as they go through school. That said, I don't think I ever said kids should play pokemon in class, I said that the technology should be a part of the class. These are two very different things, and I don't appreciate being lumped in with pokemon players in that respect any more than you like being lumped in with luddites. It's not maturity, it's giving the technology a place in the class so it can be used and perhaps monitored better. Angry birds can be an excellent opportunity to teach angles if you allow it to be.
Freehold DM wrote:Scintillae wrote:Freehold DM wrote:I was just gonna blame cell phones. Seriously, why do 11-year-olds have iPhones.Scintillae wrote:I'm just baffled at the mindset of "WOO-HOO, I DIDN'T LEARN ANYTHING!" as represented by that comic and that I overhear so often when the kids think the sub's not paying attention. I don't get bragging about "haha, Mrs. X thought that would be important." I can't wrap my mind about being proud of failing to grasp something. Heck, I wish I remembered more of my high school classes, and it bothers me that I know I used to be able to do something and can't anymore.This probably has its roots in the notorious lack of social skills possessed by most high school teachers(not to mention many, many students, but they do have an excuse in that they are still developing, although it is a poor one) as well as the encouraging of an adversarial relationship on both sides. It's worse in math teachers, I find, but it's an issue that the administration is always a step behind in addressing.why did you have a game boy at the same age?
Twould be better to show them how they could use their toys to learn the subject than to simply condemn them. The Simpsons had an episode that gave me hope on that level, but then it got turned into a message about how people trying new ideas are evil and wrong and we all love Edna krabapple even though she's a poor teacher because tradition trumps progress. That said, it's the Simpsons.
I wasn't playing Pokemon in class.
Look, kiddies, your friends aren't going to forget you in the 45 minutes you're in class, so put your damn phone down, and it's not my fault this generation is so instant-gratification based that anything requiring them to act a little mature and hold off texting while I'm giving a lesson causes outrage. This has nothing to do with embracing or rejecting new technology and everything to do with lack of respect. It's passing notes for the new generation. Last I...

Freehold DM |

Freehold DM wrote:Scintillae wrote:I was just gonna blame cell phones. Seriously, why do 11-year-olds have iPhones.why did you have a game boy at the same age?I didn't. Didn't get mine until I was in my middle teens.
And they weren't allowed at school in any case. Neither were phones, though I can give this one a pass with how many kids these days don't have a parent at home or nearby and need some method of contact, but they still shouldn't be talking/texting during class.
... says the guy posting on a forum from work >_>
EXACTLY. This is an ersatz version of the adversarial relationship I was talking about earlier.

doctor_wu |

Freehold DM wrote:I was just gonna blame cell phones. Seriously, why do 11-year-olds have iPhones.Scintillae wrote:I'm just baffled at the mindset of "WOO-HOO, I DIDN'T LEARN ANYTHING!" as represented by that comic and that I overhear so often when the kids think the sub's not paying attention. I don't get bragging about "haha, Mrs. X thought that would be important." I can't wrap my mind about being proud of failing to grasp something. Heck, I wish I remembered more of my high school classes, and it bothers me that I know I used to be able to do something and can't anymore.This probably has its roots in the notorious lack of social skills possessed by most high school teachers(not to mention many, many students, but they do have an excuse in that they are still developing, although it is a poor one) as well as the encouraging of an adversarial relationship on both sides. It's worse in math teachers, I find, but it's an issue that the administration is always a step behind in addressing.
My parents made me get a cell phone but it is almost always off.

Freehold DM |

Regarding maths, I am sure most people can live perfectly well without learning trigonometry, the area of a circle, and so on. However, there is a sharp line to what you DO need to understand things, and within that line lies the basics of statistics. If someone claims that not even understanding the use of percentages is necessary, they lack critical understanding and may well come to suffer for it.
Statistics is the field that is used today to measure the truth of statements in the media. Most of the workings of human society gets wonky unless you have a solid grasp on it. You will not be able to evaluate statements from any source without it.
There is another reason why mathematics are necessary in school. Some of those studying in school will become engineers, computer programmers, designers of various stripes, or do research in various natural science fields. For these people to have a foundation to stand on when it comes to higher studies, it needs to be in the general education. Same with tons of other fields of study. I had no interest in history in school (even though now I do), but was forced to study anyway. For some reason, though, it's always maths that is brought up as "useless in real life". This is rather childish.
The problem, from my point of view sissyl, is that you really should replace the "can" part of your initial statement with "are". The mathematics that are being taught on a high school level really need to be reexamined, because, surprise surprise, I did not want to be a mechanical engineer in the tenth grade and did not become one. Years of time was wasted learning parts of math that I didn't need and not learning statistics, which it turns out I really WOULD need in psychology.

Orthos |

I'll bet you played it on your free period though, if you had one. I keep having to remember my high school was weird and that not everyone had my experience.
I'm always a bit boggled by this kind of thing. Any video game consoles seen on-campus at all the schools I went to were immediately confiscated and you had to bring a parent to the office (if it was taken up out of class, in the cafeteria or on the grounds during lunch) or to the teacher who took it (if taken during a class) to get it back.
I brought mine all the time so I could play on the bus, especially during band trips and out-of-town football games, but it never left the backpack during school hours; thankfully back then there was no pressing need/desire to search students. Heck, my school didn't even have cops.

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I'll bet you played it on your free period though, if you had one. I keep having to remember my high school was weird and that not everyone had my experience. Or is having it as they go through school. That said, I don't think I ever said kids should play pokemon in class, I said that the technology should be a part of the class. These are two very different things, and I don't appreciate being lumped in with pokemon players in that respect any moretthan t like being lumped in with luddites. It's not maturity, it's giving the technology a place in the class so it can be used and perhaps monitored better. Angry birds can be an excellent opportunity to teach angles if you allow it to be.
1 - Actually, I never took my gameboy to school. My parents wouldn't let me, and I actually was there to learn.
2 - I mentioned Pokemon because it was the game I had. If I'd had Zelda, I'd have said Zelda.
3 - I'm not using Angry Birds for angles because I don't teach math. I get called to sub for it (I've also been called to sub for Japanese, French, Physics, and everything else), but I'm endorsed in social studies and hoping to add English. I'm defending math being taught because I've also had my own subjects under fire for being, as the kids so delightfully put it, "boring nerd stuff," and, as I said, I cannot wrap my head around the mindset of "I am so glad I never learned this."
4 - It is about maturity - the kind you get as you grow up and learn about patience. Small children are the ones who can be excused for not knowing better. Once you get into the grades I'm in, you should know it's rude to pass notes in class - which texting is - and that if the rules say save the phone for passing period, you put the phone in your pocket or purse until passing period and stop texting while the teacher is teaching. If you want your phone out during passing period, great. You're allowed. That's your time. Class time is not.
5 - I am not against technology-based lessons. I love technology. I love using technology in the classroom. I love using the projector for powerpoints, youtubes, and other interactive stuff I can fit in. I would love to start actually teaching so I can organize trips to the computer lab for research projects and multimedia presentations. Hell, the day they get a teacher-budget-friendly hologram projector, that thing will be mine.
6 - I can't base a lesson around smartphones. I constantly had it stressed that I cannot assume every child will have the technology I think they do. A lot of my assignments that I ran by my mentor teacher were shot down with "Not all of these kids have a home computer. You'll need to get the comp lab" which was then booked for a week solid. I know not every kid has a smartphone. Ergo, I cannot give an assignment that relies on them having one.
7 - You're giving these kids an awful lot of credit by assuming they want their phones out to work. Of six kids I had yesterday in the math class I subbed for insisting their phones were their calculators, five were texting when I walked around the room and didn't even have the courtesy to close the messaging screen while they denied it.

Sissyl |

As I said, we all have to learn tons of s$~! we don't see a use for. However, school is a general education meant to be useful whatever field you are going to go to. Maths is really a point of view, a way of thinking that you learn gradually. Learning how to figure out angles on triangles is part of that. Certainly, it's a pretty narrow thing to learn, and many won't need it, but some will. And so, everyone has to learn it, just like all other fields.
I am glad you see the point of statistics. I think many people would be very well served by having it taught better in schools. Our societies would be immeasurably helped. However, the field of statistics is an extremely abstract area, and you can't just jump to it from percentages.

Freehold DM |

Quote:I'll bet you played it on your free period though, if you had one. I keep having to remember my high school was weird and that not everyone had my experience.I'm always a bit boggled by this kind of thing. Any video game consoles seen on-campus at all the schools I went to were immediately confiscated and you had to bring a parent to the office (if it was taken up out of class, in the cafeteria or on the grounds during lunch) or to the teacher who took it (if taken during a class) to get it back. The only time I ever brought my gameboy to school was when I was going on a band trip or out-of-town football game on Fridays, as I could play on the bus.
not so in murrow back in the day. We played all sorts of (portable) video games, played d&d in the halls, had an anime club that I helped to found, a computer lab where we could either program or play games or learn how to make some very limited games... All sorts of stuff that some seem eager to condemn. While I had issues with math and had to take summer school a few times, I still graduated on time with my regents endorsed diploma and went on to get my degree in psychology.

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What my front porch will look like in another few hours unless it stops snowing soon.
FHDM will be jealous.

doctor_wu |

Freehold DM wrote:I'll bet you played it on your free period though, if you had one. I keep having to remember my high school was weird and that not everyone had my experience. Or is having it as they go through school. That said, I don't think I ever said kids should play pokemon in class, I said that the technology should be a part of the class. These are two very different things, and I don't appreciate being lumped in with pokemon players in that respect any moretthan t like being lumped in with luddites. It's not maturity, it's giving the technology a place in the class so it can be used and perhaps monitored better. Angry birds can be an excellent opportunity to teach angles if you allow it to be.1 - Actually, I never took my gameboy to school. My parents wouldn't let me, and I actually was there to learn.
2 - I mentioned Pokemon because it was the game I had. If I'd had Zelda, I'd have said Zelda.
3 - I'm not using Angry Birds for angles because I don't teach math. I get called to sub for it (I've also been called to sub for Japanese, French, Physics, and everything else), but I'm endorsed in social studies and hoping to add English. I'm defending math being taught because I've also had my own subjects under fire for being, as the kids so delightfully put it, "boring nerd stuff," and, as I said, I cannot wrap my head around the mindset of "I am so glad I never learned this."
4 - It is about maturity - the kind you get as you grow up and learn about patience. Small children are the ones who can be excused for not knowing better. Once you get into the grades I'm in, you should know it's rude to pass notes in class - which texting is - and that if the rules say save the phone for passing period, you put the phone in your pocket or purse until passing period and stop texting while the teacher is teaching. If you want your phone out during passing period, great. You're allowed. That's your time. Class time is not.
5 - I am not against technology-based lessons. I love technology. I...
I don't want to pay the data pacakage each month for smartphones is one reason why I don't have one. Also while I am in college I usually have my laptop and wifi on campus.

Miserable Old Bitty |

doctor_wu wrote:Also while I am in college I usually have my laptop and wifi on campus.You younguns and your dang blasted wifi! Back in my day, we had to use smoke signals! Up hill! Both ways!! AND WE LIKED IT!!!
Ha! The closest you ever came to smoke signals was blowing smoke out of your ass!
You old coot!

Cranky McOldGuy |

Cranky McOldGuy wrote:doctor_wu wrote:Also while I am in college I usually have my laptop and wifi on campus.You younguns and your dang blasted wifi! Back in my day, we had to use smoke signals! Up hill! Both ways!! AND WE LIKED IT!!!Ha! The closest you ever came to smoke signals was blowing smoke out of your ass!
You old coot!
Well, at least my ass has never been mistaken for the Goodyear Blimp, you old hag!

Freehold DM |

Kajehase wrote:What my front porch will look like in another few hours unless it stops snowing soon.FHDM will be jealous.
Yes, I am indeed jealous. Please send some of that this way. As snow, not water or water vapor.