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He can choose feats from his selected combat style, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites.
At 10th level, Greater TWF gets added to the list. So a Ranger can bypass TWF and Improved TWF and just use 1 feat to get Greater TWF? He basically gets 2 feats for free to use for something else by waiting a little longer in level?
Why would anyone want greater TWF before TWF and improved TWF?
GTWF does not say that it reduces the penalties for fighting with 2 weapons so you would still need TWF. GTWF just gives you a 3rd offhand attack at -10. Technically you can't get a 3rd attack until you get a second attack so the Ranger would still need ITWF to get the second at -5. You could take it but it wouldn't do you any good without the other feats.
BTW, Grt 2WF is the 2WF Feat I consisently recommend NEVER taking, as it's the least payback for your Feat. There's enough other 2WF Style Feats that the Ranger can take in addition to 2WF/Imp2WF that they easily have a good use for all their Combat Style Feats. Sure, it'll hit sometime, but not enough that you're better off skipping it and instead using your regular Feats for other stuff instead of plowing deeper into the 2WF list.
The best way to grab Combat Style Feats for a 2WF Ranger is> 2WF, Double Slice, 2Wpn Rend, Imp 2WF, 2Wpn Defense/ Imp Shield Bash - If you take 2WF at 1st level (with 15 DEX), that can be avanced one stage. The other Feats don't really have big Pre-Reqs (so you might as well grab them as regular Feats, eg Quickdraw and Imp Shield Bash) so you can maximize the core advantage you have, 2WF'ing without uber DEX.
He can choose feats from his selected combat style, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites.
At 10th level, Greater TWF gets added to the list. So a Ranger can bypass TWF and Improved TWF and just use 1 feat to get Greater TWF? He basically gets 2 feats for free to use for something else by waiting a little longer in level?
Ah... I think you're misinterpreting that. Technically yes, since he ignores the prerequisites he could buy it. But it wouldn't do him any good. Hard to get a third attack with your offhand weapon when you don't have a second.
The ignoring prerequisites thing is really there so you can get it without the steep dex requirement (15, then 17, then 19). Buying it does not give you the effects of the prerequisite feats.
You could wait. But it wouldn't give you TWF or ITWF. You'd get 3 attacks with your main hand, one with your off hand, and a 'third' with the offhand (really a second attack) at -10. And everything would be at -6 penalty because of not having two weapon fighting. So a main attack at -6, -11, and -16, and the offhand at -6 and -16.
As opposed to having all three feats, main at -2, -8, and -13 and off at -2 -8 -13.
You're still giving him part of the benefit of 2WF, i.e. the 1st off/hand attack.
Doing what Razz proposes would have main hand attacks at -6, -11, and -16, and a single offhand at -16.
This is ignoring the wording issue of gaining a 3rd attack without having gained 1st and 2nd.
But having that wording definitely doesn't also net you those 1st and 2nd attacks.
G2WF just doesn't do that, it's not in the Feat Benefits.
You can fight with two weapons without two weapon fighting, it's just that the penalty is -6 to both attacks rather than -2 to both attacks (assuming the offhand attack is light). Steeper if not.
True (comment deleted)... The whole thing is just so horrific, it messed with my head :-)