Versatile performance and feats


Rules Questions


Does the feat Acrobatic help a bard that's using Perform (Dance) for his acrobatics check? The feat says that it helps with Acrobatics checks, which technically this isn't; it's a Perform (Dance) check. But an armor check penalty would still apply to the acrobatics check, even though it doesn't apply to the perform check.

All the older threads I found ended in house rules for what modifies a versatile performance substitution. Is there an official clarification anywhere?


AlamoMelt wrote:

Does the feat Acrobatic help a bard that's using Perform (Dance) for his acrobatics check? The feat says that it helps with Acrobatics checks, which technically this isn't; it's a Perform (Dance) check. But an armor check penalty would still apply to the acrobatics check, even though it doesn't apply to the perform check.

All the older threads I found ended in house rules for what modifies a versatile performance substitution. Is there an official clarification anywhere?

Nope.

Your assumption is correct. If I'm using Perform (Dance) for Acrobatics, I don't take an armor check penalty and I always use Perform (Dance). If you get, say, haste cast on you, and get a bonus to your jump checks, you gain that bonus to acrobatics-- not Perform (Dance).

So, Perform (Dance) at +12
Acrobatics at +5. We put one rank in at level 1 to cover us until we got to versatile performance.

example 1.
I put on boots of striding and springing. Acrobatics to jump is now +10. Perform (Dance) is still +12.

example 2.
I get an ioun stone of charisma and a circlet of persuasion, getting a +2 to Charisma and a +3 to charisma-based checks. Now my Perform (Dance) is +16, and my Acrobatics is +5.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly how that works.


Treantmonk's Bard guide indicates that it was clarified (somewhere) that you would take the armor check penalty to Acrobatics (for instance) if you have one, even when using versatile performance.

I found a thread where Mr. Jacobs says he'd let magic items stack their bonuses. I'm not sure why it's so mushy.


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AlamoMelt wrote:
I found a thread where Mr. Jacobs says he'd let magic items stack their bonuses. I'm not sure why it's so mushy.

I was just asking about this in another thread. Can you provide a link please?

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