If align weapon (good) were put on an efficient quiver, would any arrows later stored inside become good aligned?
Since the target of the spell has to be: "weapon touched or 50 projectiles (all of which must betogether at the time of casting)" I would say that you can't cast "align weapon" on a quiver or bag or box or any other container. Containers aren't weapons or projectiles.
Even if you cast this on, say, a combat scabbard, which is both a weapon and a container, it would only effect the item touched (either or, not both)
Containers aren't weapons or projectiles.
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Another few questions regarding the efficient quiver: Since it has three distinct portions, with the smallest of the three able to contain 60 arrows, how much ammunition could the quiver contain if it was filled with nothing but arrows? Also, could the quiver contain anything besides the listed items (arrows, bows, spears, staves & javelins) such as swords, potion vials, acid flasks, wands or rolled up scrolls? If so, how might one figure out how many?
Also, could the quiver contain anything besides the listed items
It's pretty much all gonna be up to the GM. I'd say yes to the swords for the largest container, but I wouldn't allow 6, as a sword takes considerably more room than a bow (which I am assuming to be unstrung, since it's compared to a staff or spear).
You could stow wands in the arrow compartment, but I don't know about retrieving wands as you might an arrow... the Quick Draw feat only works on weapons, so I'm sorta torn.
Retrieving an arrow and nocking it to a bow is considered a free action by RAW. Retrieving other items from a container is a move action by RAW ("Retrieve a stored item"). Quickdraw allows you to "draw a weapon as a free item" or it allows you to "drawa hidden weapon as a move action".
As a DM I have always ruled that this means you can get a weapon into your hand as a free action if it is in a holster or sheath or otherwise prepared for quick drawing. So if you want to draw and throw a dagger, you have to have the daggers you are drawing in a sheath.
I would rule that if you have a sword in an "efficient quiver" that you could draw it as a move action because it's not sheathed, and is, in effect, hidden.
I might have to think about whether you can put a sword in an efficient quiver. The descrption only lists bows, spears and staffs, all of which are essentially sticks. A naked sword is probably going to be a problem. A sword in a sheath might take up two slots, but when you pull it out, it's still going to be in the sheath.
If you want to draw multiple swords quickly, then put them in crossed sheaths on your back and put two on your belt. You can easily have four swords that way.
Many of my dagger throwing characters have daggers in sheaths all over their armor. I've got one character with 16 daggers sheathed all over his armor.
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Aura: moderate conjuration
CL: 9th
Slot: —
Price: 1,800 gp
Weight: 2 lbs.
This Appears to be a typical arrow container capable of holding about 20 Arrows. It has three distinct portions, each with a nondimensional space allowing it to store far more than would normally be possible. The first and smallest one can contain up to 60 objects of the same general size and shape as an arrow. The second slightly longer compartment holds up to 18 objects of the same general size and shape As a javelin. The third and longest portion of the case contains as many as 6 objects of the same general size and shape as a bow (spears, staffs, or the like). Once the owner has filled it, the quiver can quickly produce any item she wishes that is within the quiver, as if from a regular quiver or scabbard. The efficient quiver weighs the same no matter what's placed inside it.
It's a shame to discuss something we don't have in front of us:)
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The best interpretation I've seen, and the one I use, is that any item in an Efficient Quiver counts as being in it's preferred container. The key phrase is, ". . .as if from a regular quiver or scabbard."
- An arrow can be drawn as if from a quiver.
- A weapon (javelin, bow, staff, etc.) can be drawn as if from a scabbard, sheath, weapon hanger, etc.
- Any item that the GM rules is sufficiently arrow-like, javelin-like, staff-like, or bow-like can be drawn as if drawing a weapon from a sheath.
To address a couple of other questions:
I think it would be quite reasonable to let someone make an Efficient Quiver with a different distribution of spaces. 60/18/6 is typical, but I'd allow 180 arrows, or 18 staffs, or 120 arrows and 18 javelins. Those are basically just 60/60/60, 6/6/6, 60/18/60 . . .
What items are sufficiently arrow, javelin, staff, or bow-like to fit is another good question. I've seen interpretations vary, but these are items I've allowed or seen allowed:
Arrow = bolt, sunrod, wand
Javelin = blowgun, club, torch, siangham, shortspear, rod
Bow/Staff = spear, sling staff
im not positive, but i think the OP might have been talking about making the align weapon enchanment an add-on during crafting (or upgrading the item after it has been crafted) so that any items placed inside would have the align weapon enchantment upon them when drawn from the quiver.
im not sure if it is possible using magic item RAW, but as with most anything else of this nature, its up to the DM to say yea or ney on things of this nature.
if I were the Dm, i would have no problem with doing this, would just need to sit down and figure what it would cost and what was needed for the manufacture of said item.
im not positive, but i think the OP might have been talking about making the align weapon enchanment an add-on during crafting (or upgrading the item after it has been crafted) so that any items placed inside would have the align weapon enchantment upon them when drawn from the quiver.
im not sure if it is possible using magic item RAW, but as with most anything else of this nature, its up to the DM to say yea or ney on things of this nature.
if I were the Dm, i would have no problem with doing this, would just need to sit down and figure what it would cost and what was needed for the manufacture of said item.
I'd be careful about this. But in effect this is no different from putting the same effect on a bow. An "Axiomatic" weapon does this and adds extra damage as well. Is there a reason the OP wants this on the quiver and not the bow?
I'd be careful about this. But in effect this is no different from putting the same effect on a bow. An "Axiomatic" weapon does this and adds extra damage as well. Is there a reason the OP wants this on the quiver and not the bow?
That's actually a good question. Align Weapon can hit 50 arrows, planning on using more than 50 arrows before the effect wears off?
Maybe it's a siege situation, and he wants to overload the quiver with arrows, and upend it over the side of a castle wall. Over and over again.
I could see modifying the item to produce the spell X/day. It would effect the first grouping of 50 arrows for Y duration. Limits the ability to overload on amounts of arrows available. Of course, why wouldn't you just align the bow in the quiver and make all the arrows it fires aligned that way. Heck I'd even let the user determine which alignment the effect was from the combination they have (CG, LG etc. N gets to pick any)
Constructing an alignment imbuing item Non-slot.
Align Weapon cleric spell level 2, min cater level 3
So for a continuous/at will effect 2(2*3*2000)=24000 lower if you limit it to less than 5 uses per day
add (1800*1.5=2700)for the efficient quiver.
26700 GP for a continuous/at will align weapon effect that targets one weapon or 50 ammo per pop and lasts 3 minutes, not a shabby item.
Compared to a continous/at will effect Grace(APG)ring for 12000 so that movement dosent provide AoO dosent seem too bad.
Sorry forgot about the shorter durations increase the multiples on continuous items.
So the quiver would be by 2 for duration measured in minutes for a total of 50700
Seems like a solid mid-high level play upgrade over the basic quiver.
The ring would be 48000 as duration measured in rounds is multiplied by 4
If align weapon (good) were put on an efficient quiver, would any arrows later stored inside become good aligned?
No. But you could smack demons around with your handbag.